1 Reply by misscrf

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I found another planet generator. This seems a little easier to use, but it's for setting up 1 planet, rather than a whole solar system:
http://planetmaker.wthr.us/#

And another one. I find this one a little confusing:
http://www.buildyourownearth.com/byoe.h … 0&v=pm

A good outline of the components to creating a world, that doesn't have to do with the revolution around any sun(s) but more it's makeup and boundaries (scroll down. ignore that download button)
https://m.wikihow-fun.com/Make-Your-Own-Fantasy-World

This thread has some suggestions of tools to use for documenting the pieces of your world. I haven't tried them yet. Still reading through the thread:
https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com … your-world

I have yet to find a world generator where I can outline what is land and what is water, etc. This is important, because of Omphalia's topography, which is somewhat unique. I'll figure it out one way or another, but I see that I have a lot more to outline. I think this will be important, not because I will dump it on the reader, but because I have to have to have all the aspects outlined, so that I abide by my own rules.

It looks like there are a few ways to manage the figure 8 revolution, while avoiding the issues of how the gravity of one sun would overrule the gravity of the other.  I can get creative and involve some pull from a black hole, play with magnetic fields, worm holes, or involve some sort of "magic".  The world I am creating is not so much one that involves magic, but what people on earth would consider magic. It's meant to be a more evolved existence, where Omphalians have evolved to learn how to affect the elements on their planet.  Land, fire, air, water. and other elements that they have and we don't have or ones we haven't full discovered yet.

Lots of work to go, but this thread has helped me start to sketch "how" I can get myself there.

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2 Reply by misscrf

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njc wrote:

Dirk, it's a question of the orbital velocity.  Is there enough kinetic energy to bring the orbiting body back out--is the perigee above the atmosphere (corona) of the orbited body?  Think of a highly elliptical orbit.  Misscrf, is the planetary orbit in or near the plane of the suns' mutual orbit?  Vern, for quasistability see Strange Attractors.  I don't know if it can apply to the three-body problem, which has only recently gotten a general solution.

There are some stable three-body configurations.  Look up Lagrange Points.   Misscrf, would a Lagrange Point solution work for you?

Thank you, njc. This was something new for me to consider.  I am researching Lagrange Points now.

I have seen some responses that I should just make this vague and no one will care how accurate this is, or that I should just rely on magic to explain what physics/astrophysics cannot.  I am not intending to give a physics lesson in my book.  I would like to have all the physics worked out though, and include that in an index or reference at the beginning or end of the book.  This may become a series, and I intend to fully build this world and it's place in the universe.  I know that means a lot more work, but I think it will be worth it in the end, and it will make the world and the story be that much more rich and full.

I'm still reading through the replies, but I love that others are working through this struggle too, because it let's me know I'm not alone in having this type of struggle in the writing process. I'm also glad that this is proving to be a helpful thread for others too. Let's keep the discussion going!

My thought is that when the planet (Omphalia) goes around the bigger sun, it will pick up speed, that slingshots the planet around the sun and towards the smaller sun.  While it is going around that sun, it does need an outer force to pull it back towards the bigger sun.  Maybe a black hole that will start to pull it away, but then the bigger sun grabs hold and pulls it back around.  Either something like that, or in between the 2 suns is a wormhole. In that scenario, the 2 suns aren't near either other at all, but in different places in the cosmos. The worm hole causes the planet to enter and exit each sun's rotation as it hits that wormhole, as it comes around each sun. The only problem there, is that you wouldn't see 2 suns, unless the other sun is one it doesn't rotate around, but is close enough to see, on one of the sides of the cosmos, rotating around 1 of the suns. 

Still pondering.  I'll get there eventually.

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3 Reply by misscrf

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Thanks for the site suggestion, B Douglas Slack! I missed your response, when I responded to njc.  I definitely have a lot to figure out, so if there is a way that site can help me come up with any type of baseline, I'll take all the help I can get!

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4 Reply by misscrf

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Thanks.  Yeah, my idea is that one of the suns is way bigger, so the planet would spend a lot more time going around that sun, but also that the way it slingshots around that one, propels it toward the path of going around the smaller one, which would be a smaller loop.  I don't need to make this too complicated, but I want it to be as realistically feasible as possible.

If there is a way to make something complicated, leave it to me to do it. hahaha

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5 Topic by misscrf

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I am working on my novel, and one of the things holding me up is that I need to sketch out the world.  This world is called Omphalia.  It's much bigger than earth, and I can go into more details about the geography, if needed.  The big parts, is that it revolves around 2 suns in a figure 8 motion.  One sun is much bigger than the other.

What I need to figure out, are realistic measurements, speed of revolution, and rotation.  From there, I need to map out how long a day lasts, and how long it takes to revolve around both suns, so that I can determine what the seasons will be like at any given time in the story.

Will it be light out? Will it be dark? Will it be the period of time when it is between both suns and it's light all day? How long is that day, and how long does it take to get through that part of the revolution? How does time there compare to time on earth?

These are the questions I am struggling with, and I am not sure how to make them realistic. I have reached out to astronomy and physics departments, at various colleges, including my alma mater. That doesn't seem to be resulting in any offers to help.  My bigger concern is that I don't want to create a world that doesn't make any sense, because that will damage the story.

Any help would be so appreciated!

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