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How about Omega Force as the name Connor coins for his cousins?

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Better than Connor defying the laws of physics with no plausible explanation, the wine from the Garden of Eden will be the source of his boosted power.

Connor beheaded another four demons with one stroke, their bodies flying backward and bowling over another seven others. "What was in that wine?" Connor asked St. Michael, wide-eyed.
Michael grinned. "The power of God!"

I think the solution to how to handle the stench of so many dissolving demon corpses is that Megiddo is considered holy ground. They won't dissolve within its boundaries, or they don't stink when dissolving. Probably the former. Whichever way I go, it needs to be consistent from book one on, where some demons died in a church.

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Dirk B. wrote:

Better than Connor defying the laws of physics with no plausible explanation, the wine from the Garden of Eden will be the source of his boosted power.

Connor beheaded another four demons with one stroke, their bodies flying backward and bowling over another seven others. "What was in that wine?" Connor asked St. Michael, wide-eyed.
Michael grinned. "The power of God!"

I think the solution to how to handle the stench of so many dissolving demon corpses is that Megiddo is considered holy ground. They won't dissolve within its boundaries, or they don't stink when dissolving. Probably the former. Whichever way I go, it needs to be consistent from book one on, where some demons died in a church.

I'm trying to catch up. I like the wine idea. But saying wine from Garden of Eden seems too much. It would be vinegar. How about the place in South American has original seeds and hence plants or pure uncontaminated plants from Eden? Basically, non-hybrid plants. And the wine was made from them.

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Actually, the wine was infused with the power of God, so it'll keep forever. No refrigeration required. smile  The compound is Satan's, not God's. Also, clear-cutting for growing grapes would be more visible from the air.

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I can't remember if I already mentioned some of this, but I plan to have Connor battle a powerful lieutenant of Satan's while the rest of the final battle is unfolding. Connor and "Louie" never really like each other, right from the beginning of book two, where Connor is behaving super bratty, and  Louie is Satan's chief of staff at the Vatican. In fact, it's Louie who kills Connor's gay young lover, although I'm not sure if he does it on Satan's orders or because he knows it's what Satan wants. Connor, of course, blames Satan for the death, which triggers their battle halfway through book two (the one where Connor loses). Like Satan, Louie's zombie body is home to many demons, and he draws more to himself (into his zombie body) before his fight with Connor. That makes him incredibly powerful, though not quite a match for "boosted" Connor (after he drinks the wine made from grapes from the Garden of Eden). Since the wine only lasts so long, Connor's powers return to their usual un-boosted level, which is still very powerful, though not as powerful as Louie at that point.

The final battle between Connor and Louie will happen something like this: Louie rides out during the final battle to fight Connor one-on-one (a sword fight). Connor, still boosted, is clearly the stronger of the two, although Louie is no lightweight. Then Connor's boost runs out, and Louie begins to kick his butt. Connor's sword is knocked from his hand, and Louie keeps hitting him hard enough, Connor doesn't even have the presence of mind to draw the sword back to himself (using his telekinesis).

Fortunately, when Michael gave Connor the wine, he also gave him a small vial of the wine to carry with him, just in case. Connor also carries a vial of holy water given to him by Pope Romano in preparation for the battle. Connor, beaten to a pulp, is knocked down hard at one point, and the vial of holy water falls out of his pocket. That's when Connor remembers both vials. He uses the holy water to splash Louie's face, which causes him to back off just long enough for Connor to drink the other vial to re-boost his power just long enough to turn the fight around. It continues as a nasty fist fight, but Connor now clearly dominant. Once Connor has beaten Louie to a pulp, although both are still standing, Connor draws the sword back to himself and beheads Louie.

The other alternative is that Connor continues pounding Louie, and rather than use the sword, he hits Louie so hard with a final punch, he beheads him.

Neat trick: since Louie is a powerful demon, he uses his supernatural powers to set his sword on fire, and uses the burning sword to fight Connor, including sending flames shooting at Connor from the sword's tip. Connor lights his own sword, and they continue their sword fight. This seems somewhat like a lightsaber ripoff, so I may not do it. However, I at least have the option of doing so, because it's sufficiently different from a lightsaber that Mickey Mouse is unlikely to send me a cease and desist letter.

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Mickey Mouse can be defeated
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-33235330

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Yeah, but are they ever going to work with him again, and how much did he have to shell out to protect his IP?

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One other option that occurred to me is that, instead of Michael boosting Connor's power without first telling him that that's what the wine will do, Michael might tell him the wine will boost his power, even though it's just plain wine. Connor, believing it's supernatural, boosts his own power just by believing the wine can do it (incredible power of suggestion). As Christ told his followers, you can move a mountain if you have faith. I'm not sure yet which way I'll go with the wine. If it's supernatural, I'd love for it to be a surprise to Connor.

Problem is, I also want him to leap from the top of "Mount" Megiddo (really just a tall hill) and land behind the attacking horde of demons, then attack them from behind while his cousins attack from the front. For Connor to attempt to leap over the horde, he would have to know in advance that his power has been boosted, so I don't think I can make it a surprise to him. Or Connor makes the leap, expecting to land in the middle of the horde, but the wine takes him across the entire horde. Decisions, decisions.

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Oh, he lost potential money big time. But you don't have a deal with them, so it's loss-less for you. I'd say "laser-ish-swords" are yours, go ahead. You're not going out of your way to infringe on "Jedi".

Similarly, I've been asked multiple times if my characters who summon lightning are trending on Sith, but eh... they don't get laser-swords, they don't have mild prescience, and I haven't received a cease & desist yet. Should one arrive, I shall fight it. I have a concept of "electric charge" but let them try to trademark a Farad. Hope that works out for them.

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> I'd say "laser-ish-swords" are yours, go ahead.

The fact that it's fire that Louie shoots at Connor I think also helps me distinguish it from a lightsaber. However, given that both Connor and the demons can do telekinesis, they could also throw the burning swords at each other, then summon them back to their hands. I'd want to do it in a way that is different from throwing/summoning lightsabers, though.

Somewhere in the distant past, I remember a movie where swords were electrified. I believe Highlander used the concept too. I wouldn't be surprised if fire has been done as well.

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While Connor gets the cacas beat out of him by "Louie", Alpha Male (Connor's strongest cousin and second in command) runs to save him. Alpha engages with Louie, but is no match for ~ten powerful demons in one corporeal body (even un-boosted Connor is no match for that). However, that gives Connor a chance to drink the extra vial of wine to temporarily re-boost his powers. Louie runs Alpha through with a sword before Connor can save him. Enraged, he takes the vial of holy water given him by Pope Romano and splashes it across the demon's face and eyes, blinding him. Connor then begins to viciously hammer Louie's face, with him unable to see to fight back. The holy water eats away at Louie's face, and Connor's ongoing assault knocks pieces of the face and skull away, a chunk at at a time. Eventually, Connor punches Louie's nose and jaw right off. Once it's clear that Louie is on the verge of collapse, Connor either draws his sword back into his hand and chops off Louie's head or Connor punches his head so hard, he decapitates the demon body. At some point right before that, Connor says something like "See you in Hell," or something more fitting given the fact that the End Times are almost over and demons will be thrown in the Lake of Fire. I like the fact that Connor will be punching chunks of Louie's face off (mostly skeletal parts) as the holy water does its thing. Gross, but then it's not a living human. In fact, leading up to the battle, Satan had ordered his corporeal demons to allow their faces to deteriorate sufficiently that they looked half-decayed so as to instill fear in Connor's cousins.

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Dirk B. wrote:

Actually, the wine was infused with the power of God, so it'll keep forever. No refrigeration required. smile  The compound is Satan's, not God's. Also, clear-cutting for growing grapes would be more visible from the air.

God's grapes can grow anywhere! No need for clear cutting. I guess...
How about if they've become the grapes of wrath? Just a thought.

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I'm seriously considering making demon blood dark purple or something more nasty. They are dead, after all. I've read pooled cadaver blood is dark purple, hence the color. I'd give the zombies a corresponding skin color (e.g., pale lavender), but that would be a dead giveaway and isn't the least bit scary. Or perhaps the demons keep the blood color in check like they do other signs of decay (until the bodies die). After all, they're keeping the body as close to human as possible, including breathing (oxygen), which would keep the blood red. If they're trying to scare someone (e.g., when they attack a human), their blood color could change to scare the intended victims. Also, they could let their skin partially decay. And stink to high heaven, with mucus oozing off their decaying flesh even before they're killed.

Details TBD.

This is going to be so gross! smile

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https://youtu.be/gEr5jcPjqtI?si=g_35lnlwtyRwGAc_  00:04:45 .

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I couldn't make out the lyrics, especially Angela Lansbury. Found another version online, though. Catchy tune. :-)

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Cool thing. I was looking for an old sci-fi book online I'd read about 40 years ago, but I didn't remember the title, author, most of the plot, nor the names of any of the characters. There's a subreddit called Whatsthatbook where you provide as much information as you remember (e.g., when I read it, anything about the plot, anything about the book blurb and cover, etc.). My information about the story was limited, and my memory of some of the plot was half wrong, yet someone figured it out: Secret of the Lost Race by Andre Norton. I don't know why I thought of this book last night, but I remember enjoying reading it. Fortunately, used copies are still available on Amazon.

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Further to making the corporeal demons more gross, I'm going to give them the ability to dissolve their own skin, especially on their faces, as they attack someone in order to instill fear in their victim. I can fit that into the story right from the start of book one, and they'll all use that skill during the final battle to attempt to terrify Connor's cousins (aka Omega Force).

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When they dissolve their skin make sure to give the effect color. A gross green or bright red. Can they reconstruct their skin if they're still standing at the end of the fight?

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Depends on how much has oozed away. Since they're animating a dead body to begin with, I would think the loss of facial skin wouldn't matter. I guess it should putrify as it slides off the face. Anybody know what color putrified skin is? smile Snot green might work. tongue

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Snot green sounds pretty disgusting.

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Or the green of vomited pea soup. tongue

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You mean like guacamole?  How anyone ever convinced humanity that something so disgusting of look, smell, and taste might be a fancy foodstuff is a truly diabolical wonder.  Mashed avacado makes cat scat coffee (look it up!) positively appetizing  by comparison.

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Garum sociorum  (I think I spelled it right) was a Roman delicacy that's still eaten today in some places. It's basically rotting-fish sauce prepared so it doesn't poison you.

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I just made guacamole! It's great stuff!!!! It's also good for you. Avocados helps reduce the risk of Alzheimer's. Go buy some, njc!

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The discussion about the gross demons made me realize that angels and demons, both of whom are in the final battle of book 3, are not represented in the same way.

There are multiple demons inside each zombie body, which is what gives them the strength to make the zombie appear alive. Not only does this make them powerful zombies, the physical body is what allows them to tread on holy ground without the suffering that would normally go with that.

Angels don't use zombie bodies, so they come to Earth having assumed human form, which they project as solid bodies, which allows them to participate in the battle.

Problem is, demons are fallen angels, so they ought to have that same ability to assume human form without having to enter a zombie body. I dislike the complexity of demons having two ways to be solid, so I'll make it so that fallen angels can no longer assume solid form, a power they lost when cast out of heaven.. That forces them to use zombies if they want to assume a human form.
So, angels can assume human form, which is consistent with the Bible, while demons have to use zombies, which are generally not as powerful as angels, unless perhaps ten demons get together in one dead body to act in unison. I'll put an upper limit on the number of demons that can co-exist in one zombie, otherwise they'd just put 100 demons in each body, allowing them to kick everyone's butt.

Further, demon bodies can be killed, forcing the demons in that body out. Once back in pure spirit form, they can't take human/solid form, so they're almost useless until they find another dead body.

In the final battle, Connor, his cousins (Omega Force), and angels all kill zombies, which doesn't destroy the demon spirits (they're immortal), but takes them out of the fight, which is exactly what I need. Since angels can't be killed either, demons can't win against them. If the battle goes on long enough, zombie bodies will either all be destroyed by angels, or the bodies tire out from exhaustion, whereas angels don't.

This'll allow me to send hordes of demons at boosted Connor, genetically enhanced Omega Force, and the angels, yet the latter three can still kick serious butt. Connor is unstoppable while boosted. His cousins all have similar genetic enhancements as Connor, making them powerful but not invincible.

EDIT: I just realized that, since his cousins have very similar (though less successful) genes, they all feel intense loyalty to Satan, same as Connor did until mid book two. Yikes! I'll have to have all of them volunteer to disable the same switch. As with Connor, they'll have only two years left to live, which is beyond the end of book three. Connor, however, should be close to death since he flipped the switch in book two, two years earlier.