Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

For those reading my Lord of the Earth book, I'Ve encountered a bit of a dilemma. Originally, my first scene was about Connor at the orphanage performing his first healing miracle (curing epilepsy) as well as comforting Damiano, the new orphan, which is another of Connor's gifts. Since it's supposed to be a thriller (not just for Christian audiences), Rachel suggested a more action-filled opening. The problem I have with it (and Seabrass and John Hamler agree), nobody really cares about Connor yet and it gives away a key scene that was intended to be the climax of Connor's trip to the Holy Land, which is a major element of the story. If I remove the action scene, then the next scene after the healing miracle is an investigation of the first death of a cardinal at the hands of the Antichrist. However, there's nothing gruesome about it since that would turn off a Christian audience. The story continues back and forth between Connor and the Antichrist for several more scenes, at which point there is a (limited) action scene in the form of an exorcism. I haven't written it yet, so I'm not sure how pulse-pounding that scene will be. First and foremost, my target audience is Christians. If I can pick up other readers with an interesting story, so much the better, but they're not my focus. In short, I'm considering reverting back to the epilepsy cure as scene one.

Thoughts?
Dirk

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I decided to revert back to the epilepsy scene as my story's opening. If I lose a few readers who want an action-filled opening, so be it (see above for details). I recall that the Exorcist took quite a bit of time to build up to the actual exorcism, so hopefully it will work the way I originally planned it.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

My terms are way more alien than "agente" and I dont translate, so I think you'll be fine

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Recommend you call that "Chapter 1 Scene 2" to help us keep it straight as complexity increases

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Yeah, Seabrass does that. It confuses me to see a TNBW chapter number, his book chapter number, and his scene number in the list box. I decided to avoid the book chapter number in favor of a chapter name, at least while I'm writing it. Not sure if the finished book will have chapter titles, since each chapter is about two concurrent stories. Hard to nail down names that cover both stories.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

ok... in that case, you might be best to omit the scene so you don't post "chapter 9 scene 6" when it's really chapter 3 scene 6

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Doing marketing right now. Trying to figure out the magic of background video

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

No, it'll be:
Chapter 1, In the Beginning, Scene 1
Chapter 2, In the Beginning, Scene 2
Chapter 3, Next Big Event, Scene 1
Chapter 4, Next Big Event, Scene 2
Chapter 5, Even Bigger Event, Scene 1
Chapter 6, Even Bigger Event, Scene 2
Etc.

Better?

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Yes.

In which chapter does the comet strike and destroy the world?

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"For the end of the world was long ago ..."

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Kdot wrote:

Yes.

In which chapter does the comet strike and destroy the world?

Book three has an asteroid on a collision course with Earth. A comet would work just as well.

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

njc wrote:

"For the end of the world was long ago ..."

Nice! Mind if I use it? It's like the opening of a Star Wars film.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

From GK Chesterton's Ballad of the White Horse.  Lots of good stuff there, especially at the beginning and the end.  By all men bond to nothing/Being slaves without a lord/By one blind idiot world obeyed/To blind to be abhorred.

The end of the world alluded to is the fall of Rome.  Might work for you.

"The gates of heaven are fearful gates/Worse than the gates of hell;/Not I would break the splendours barred/Or seek to know the thing they guard,/Which is too good to tell.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

re the 2nd round of comments... There's no need (post Elizabethan period) to hide pain & suffering behind the curtain.

If your goal is to draw our attention to it, write it. Some actior will find you later and shake your hand for giving him the spotlight.

I did this hiding act in some of the early writes of VQ. I had [4 0 3] (my female ninja ballerina villain) at the end assigned to kill someone who she was told she was related to (but didn't believe it (and what villain politely requests DNA samples?)). I had the area around the mark coated in wet paint, then I showed footsteps in that paint at first showing haste (spread apart) then slowing, then turn away.

Implication: "someone" had rushed forward to make the kill, stopped, thought it over and changed her mind. Then a chapter later, I reveal the villain had paint on her shoes.

A few years later I was reading that complicated act and had a BFO. I was hiding the important part... that moment someone comes to deep, potentially life-changing terms. Why was I hiding it? To create a mystery. Okay, no problem. But it wasn't central to the plot. Many readers would have missed the connection.

This is what I see in the scene as you describe it. You've declared it's important your character sees the body and suffers a breakdown / moment of reverence. I see give the future director a scene with meat on its bones

PS: I'm still going to try to use the paint in VQ. Only as a way for a few smart characters to realize what happened. But I'll show the scene when I get there.

Edited to close that pesky double bracket

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I'm feeling dense. I don't understand your comments. Whose pain & suffering do you think I'm hiding? Father Coppola? He's not particularly important beyond what I wrote. I doubt we'll see him again.

What am I missing?

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Change of plans re naming chapters. I can't possibly think of appropriate chapter names when there are two threads running through every chapter. My new scheme is similar to Seabrass's, only simpler:

Chapter 1 - Scene 1.1
Chapter 2 - Scene 1.2
Chapter 3 - Scene 2.1
Chapter 4 - Scene 2.2
Chapter 5 - Scene 3.1
etc.

'Chapter' above refers to TNBW chapter numbers. My numbering includes my chapter number and the scene number within that chapter. I probably won't have more than two scenes per chapter until I get near the end of the first book.

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How in the world did you manage to draw so much energy from him? You didn't have Storm Troopers slay his parents on Hoth, did you?

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

I assume you mean Charles. Yes, he's a wampa. No stormtroopers. Legionarii.

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

As noted in a post in Premium, I keep running into a problem when referring to characters by one name only throughout my story. It's the repetition that reviewers highlight, and rightly so. Temple suggested I use more pronouns, relying on the reader to figure out who I'm referring to based on context. See the example below based on her approach. The other approach, which I used to use, is to refer to characters in more than one way. So, I would refer to Romano as Romano or priest to break up the monotony. JP Lundstrom thought that was fine, although Seabrass has tried to steer me clear of that approach. I've been trying to avoid the latter approach since I think it creates distance between the reader and Romano by referring to him as priest. For those reading this, how do you avoid the repetition?

Thanks
Dirk

Before:

Romano decided he’d take a wait-and-see approach. In a few days, Alessandro would probably have another seizure, and Romano would have his answer. In spite of himself, he felt a slight thrill at the possibility that Connor was right. If only Romano could still feel the Holy Spirit the way Connor did. It had been so long. Yet, even Mother Teresa suffered dark, spiritual emptiness, in her case for almost half a century. And, unlike her, Romano was no saint. The knot in his stomach returned, reminding him he had an anguished prayer to finish.

After:

Romano decided he’d take a wait-and-see approach. In a few days, Alessandro would probably have another seizure, and he would have his answer. In spite of himself, he felt a slight thrill at the possibility that Connor was right. If only he could still feel the Holy Spirit the way Connor did. It had been so long. Yet, even Mother Teresa suffered dark, spiritual emptiness, in her case for almost half a century. And, unlike her, Romano was no saint. The knot in his stomach returned, reminding him he had an anguished prayer to finish.

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

At the end of the day, the character is a priest. Regardless of whether or not you refer to him as one, the character will always have priestly qualities that may alienate some. The fact that this book uses religion as a major source of plot points will do that anyways. I wouldn't worry about people saying using the word priest isn't a good idea. If you have good characterization and char. development in your story, readers will learn over time to relate in some way, and will grow their own bonds with the characters. It's the same for when you read a book with a girl protagonist. I'm not a girl, so how am I able to relate to this character? There will be many things that don't make sense to me or will alienate me. It's unavoidable. I would say go for it.

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Scene 2.1 (chapter 2, scene 1) is up. This scene introduces Cardinal Lombardi, the Vatican Secretary of State, and his first meeting with Connor. Lombardi plays a recurring role in the story.

Dirk

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Re my review:

R. and L. reached the chapel where C. sat in silence. Before him rose an altar supporting a monstrance. Within rested the Eucharistic host, a round wafer believed to be the transubstantiated body of Christ.

C. sat alone at the front of the chapel, staring at the monstrance in silence. He turned when they approached and rose hastily.

What I've done here is shove C up front. He's kind of the topic of these two paragraphs. Originally he's kinda buried in the woodwork. Took out some of the location bits (is it relevant that the chapel is in the orphanage or adjoining it? Maybe even free-standing? Bigger / smaller? I suspect not relevant at this time). Dropped a "he heard" which will get the POV demons on your back, and played with words a little bit to remove an "eyes widened"

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Edit: Sorry Para 2 isn't even needed anymore because "sat in silence" was already given. The standing and what not could be bumped into para 3

Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

Nice changes. Thank you. The head-hopping police already nailed me for a few errors. I'll have to fix it before Seabrass sees it. Tsk.

It's amazing how similar Marilyn's and Temple's reviews are. They find the same stuff and even suggest the same revisions. I told them they may have been separated at birth.

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Re: Satan's Last Stand (the Connor series) - Dirk B.

The author of the Exorcist took a long time to create the tension in his book. Ditto for Angels & Demons.

Indeed... and Stephen King took about 100 pages in Tommy Knockers before he even decided to mention danger.

But we live in a very different time period, and unless you're famous already that people will read your work until it hooks them, you'll need to hook them manually. So many distractions these days -- Facebook, sports, 400 tv channels (I remember feeling blessed to get 21) a writer's work is cut out for them to retain readers sad [I mean a relatively less famous writer]