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#1 04-21-2008 15:34:31

EllieO
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Ellie's thread

Here is my thread - finally. Lately I have been very busy not getting much done. I currently have four major projects.

1. Up Home Again - this is my memoir and my major project right now. Blurb:Up Home Again is the story of a woman who makes her peace with a haunting childhood in a beautiful place when she returns to Maine to resolve her current personal dilemmas.

2. Red Right Returning - fiction about a woman named Nell who returns to the Maine coast after years away. She reconnects with some people she knew and sees women and girls that remind her of herself in various stages of her life. Fiction, honest.

3.Stories of Freedom - a collection of short stories from my youth. Vignettes of my life in Freedom, Maine.

4. Writing Thru It - my self designed course and my blog. I am passionate about the transformative power of writing. Besides this I am also working on a course about personal mythology with a friend of mine who is a Jungian therapist.

I have not been getting much done in the last few weeks, but now at least I feel more organized having laid this out for my thread. I am excited that we have this group started because I've wanted a creative non fiction area on the site. It's good to have someplace where we don't have to explain that we are not writing fiction. Maybe we should have a motto like "Prologues Allowed". Well maybe better than that.


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#2 04-21-2008 18:09:12

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Re: Ellie's thread

How about we're writing thru it?


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#3 04-29-2008 11:46:11

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Re: Ellie's thread

I'm back.

It has been a little over 2 months since I posted a chapter of Up Home Again, but I have been working on it. When I sat down to write the next chapter, a chapter came out, but it wasn't the next one. So now I have two chapters nearly ready, plus I have outlined the whole thing (on an excel spreadsheet, how's that for creativity?).

I expect it to be 15 chapters plus its prologue and epilogue. I'm hoping to scratch out all the chapters before I leave for my annual retreat in July. That means I should be posting roughly a chapter a week here. (I have a schedule on my spreadsheet.)

I try to write for 2 hours every morning now. I'm aiming for 6-8 am. This morning I didn't start until 7 but went until 9. Apparently my cat Buddha, who doubles for my alarm clock, wasn't hungry before 6. I'll try again to explain the spreadsheet to him.

How are each of you doing? Mishmont I get the moving bit since I have moved three times in the last few years. I recently bought 7 bookcases so that I have access to my stuff, especially my books. It's a challenge to pack books without reading them.

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#4 04-30-2008 06:36:35

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Re: Ellie's thread

Ok, I'm talking to my self here, but it's helping so it works for me. Besides dutifully cranking out new chapters on schedule, I'm also editing and reposting the existing chapters. I just started this morning. Please take a look if you have some time. Comment here or there as a review. It is "republished" so review points are available.


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#5 04-30-2008 08:29:10

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Re: Ellie's thread

Ellie,

I should be back on track with reviewing and all next week, and am happy to hear there will be more of your work to look over!  Sorry I've been so remiss. It's a madhouse here.  Literally!


Okay, this is now turning into an issue, so let me put it in my sig file so everyone knows upfront:  I don't read or review fiction that includes sexual violence.  ] I just don't.  I will fight my way through sexual violence in your memoir, but not in your fiction.  I apologize in advance for anyone who is inconvenienced by this.
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#6 04-30-2008 10:00:35

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Re: Ellie's thread

I have a lot of reviewing to catch up on also. I know how busy we can get besides working with this site. I had a great boost from a conference I recently attended and I'm really motivated to write more than I talk about writing.

This weekend I'll work up my comments on the May essay. Looking forward to it.

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#7 05-01-2008 06:57:48

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Re: Ellie's thread

I too have been taking a break from reviewing, sometimes we need that. Glad to hear you are cranking the chapters EllieO, that inspires me.

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#8 05-01-2008 08:05:06

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Re: Ellie's thread

Ellie, looks as though you are going to have to be our muse for a while, though it sounds like it will be herding kittens.

I'll be back at it next week.


Go, eat your bread in gladness, and drink your wine in joy; for your action was long ago approved by God.
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#9 05-15-2008 10:02:26

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Re: Ellie's thread

Ok, raise your hand if you think I might be behind according to my excel spreadsheet schedule. No, please put you hands down I can't take it.

I am still working on Up Home Again and will be posting a new chapter very soon, maybe tommorrow. If you have time to look at anything, please look at the prologue and comment here. I have had wildly varying views. One person told me here write it like this. Well that was well written, too but my memoir has to be in my voice. Another reviewer told me I got the dates wrong. Really? What did I get wrong, when I was born or when my mother died? Someone else told me to put it all in chonological order. It's a story about returning, there are flashbacks. A fiction writer told me not to start with landscape. That reviewer probably is no fan of East of Eden, which starts with a long and beautiful explanation of how the Salinas Valley was formed.

The most comments are on my long sentence. You may have seen my posts in the forums where I say that rules are guidelines. I don't know what is too long. Is there a word limit? I don't think so. As long as it is grammatically correct and conveys the meaning without confusion, why does it have to be shorter? It is linked parallel phrases, not rambling run on. OK, I have shown how I feel. What do each of you think? The sentence is below.

Our house was across from the rundown, gray clapboard Banton Brothers Mill that is gone now, down the street from Bangs & Knight IGA store that is closed, and only a few houses away from the old post office, reduced to just its granite block foundation.


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#10 05-15-2008 10:16:09

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Re: Ellie's thread

Ellie,  you are back at it, seems as though we all are coming around slowly but surely.

As far as the sentence, it flows perfectly well, a poetic rhythm even.

My only problem, ever the straight A student, is that I immediately tried to memorize the names, descriptions and locations rather than feel the ambiance you are conveying very well.

Doubt that most readers will have that problem wink


Go, eat your bread in gladness, and drink your wine in joy; for your action was long ago approved by God.
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#11 05-15-2008 11:05:42

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Re: Ellie's thread

EllieO wrote:

Our house was across from the rundown, gray clapboard Banton Brothers Mill that is gone now, down the street from Bangs & Knight IGA store that is closed, and only a few houses away from the old post office, reduced to just its granite block foundation.

I think this is a BEAUTIFUL sentence!  I don't think it's to long, and I think the echo of things gone does a great job of setting the tone.  This is really, really good.


Okay, this is now turning into an issue, so let me put it in my sig file so everyone knows upfront:  I don't read or review fiction that includes sexual violence.  ] I just don't.  I will fight my way through sexual violence in your memoir, but not in your fiction.  I apologize in advance for anyone who is inconvenienced by this.
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#12 05-15-2008 11:18:21

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Re: Ellie's thread

EllieO wrote:

Our house was across from the rundown, gray clapboard Banton Brothers Mill that is gone now, down the street from Bangs & Knight IGA store that is closed, and only a few houses away from the old post office, reduced to just its granite block foundation.

Hi, Ellie.

Small suggestion to avoid 'was' and repeats of 'that' and 'house':

Our home sat across the rundown, gray clapboard Banton Brothers Mill that is gone now, down the street from the boarded-up Bangs & Knight IGA store, and only a few houses away from the old post office, reduced to just its granite block foundation.

Kindest regards,

William


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#13 05-15-2008 11:32:08

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I (respectfully) disagree with William.  I think his sentence reads very differently than the original, and some meaning is changed or lost.  I dont like the changing of the word "house" to "home"--this is a sentence about buildings, and home means something other than house, something that isn't about the physicality of the structure.  I also think the repitition forms a kind of cant... it's something that has to be used skillfully and judiciously, but I think Ellie does it very well here.  It raises this above the simply descriptive and makes it lyrical.

Again, just my two cents.


Okay, this is now turning into an issue, so let me put it in my sig file so everyone knows upfront:  I don't read or review fiction that includes sexual violence.  ] I just don't.  I will fight my way through sexual violence in your memoir, but not in your fiction.  I apologize in advance for anyone who is inconvenienced by this.
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#14 05-15-2008 12:55:09

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I agree with Sarah, it is what I meant by "poetic rhythm."


Go, eat your bread in gladness, and drink your wine in joy; for your action was long ago approved by God.
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#15 05-15-2008 14:04:30

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Re: Ellie's thread

Don't know how my question got on Sarah's thread, but I'll start yours no later than this weekend.

Trying to catch up on some old (very old) reciprocations.


Go, eat your bread in gladness, and drink your wine in joy; for your action was long ago approved by God.
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#16 05-16-2008 07:24:58

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Re: Ellie's thread

These are the days when I love this site. I feel I have heard from a panel of experts. The sentence stays.  For one thing, it is not that long. (For long sentences check out William's stuff.) William, I cannot change the wording that much because it changes the meaning too much. Boarded up does read nicely, but this is memoir. The building is not boarded up. House is much more authentic in this case than home, as Sarah pointed out.

Thank you so much, each of you, for responding. I love that you called it poetic rhythm, Mish.

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#17 05-16-2008 12:50:40

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Ok, don't fall over. I have posted a new chapter. Not a reposted one. A new chapter.


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#18 05-16-2008 12:59:13

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Yeah!  I'm getting ready to go  have cocktails with my friend Sara, so I won't review it until sometime tomorrow.  (Hopefully.  God, if I start reviewing after cocktails I'm totally screwed.)  But I'm looking forward to it!


Okay, this is now turning into an issue, so let me put it in my sig file so everyone knows upfront:  I don't read or review fiction that includes sexual violence.  ] I just don't.  I will fight my way through sexual violence in your memoir, but not in your fiction.  I apologize in advance for anyone who is inconvenienced by this.
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#19 05-16-2008 17:17:05

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Re: Ellie's thread

I'm starting Ch one tomorrow, not sure how far I'll get.


Go, eat your bread in gladness, and drink your wine in joy; for your action was long ago approved by God.
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#20 05-16-2008 18:31:18

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Re: Ellie's thread

I have to go out in a few minutes, but first thing tomorrow morning I'll take a look.

CONGRATS! btw. 

Sometimes the toughest part about writing chapters is the getting started. 

Pamela


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#21 05-18-2008 05:52:44

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Ellie (and all),

Below is my review of your latest (very good!) chapter.  It's almost exclusively a line reading, but I thought I'd bring up what, for me, is maybe a little missing in the book thus far.  (You're going to say, "That's the pot calling the kettle hard to see...")  I don't feel like we have an adequately present "Ellie" yet in this work.  I want more sense descriptions, more thoughts laid bare, rather than wrapped in anecdote.  More feeling, instead of just analysis.  See?  Pot, kettle.

Other thoughts?

Peace and all good things!
Sarah

Line reading:
**A consultant, I like the name of that job. -- Have you considered simplifying to just:  I like the idea of being an consultant.
**I love it when someone else tells me they are a consultant. I want to ask, "So did you get fired or quit? Laid off, maybe? Retired?" -- I LOVE this. 
**Now that I am back from the retreat I start working on the first time homebuyer's workshop, the first one that I will be facilitating myself. -- echo on the word "first" here bogs this down a little.  Maybe, since we already know what it is, you can find another way to say "first time homebuyers' workshop?"  Particularly since first word of next graph is also "first."
**me get thru a lot.-- Ellie!  "Thru?"  Not you!  I'm sure this just snuck out somehow.  You are channeling your inner teenager-passing-notes-in-class.
**We used to have breakfast together once a week calling ourselves the Breakfast Club. -- Simplify to "We used to call ourselves The Breakfast Club, meeting once a week (for bagels and gossip?  oatmeal and angst?  something so you don't have to say "breakfast" twice).
**Because it's my birthday, I start thinking about myself from the beginning. -- I love this line.
**I liked being named after my mother when she was alive. Once she wasn't, the name was a dead weight. -- Very nice, particularly the choice of phrase, "...once she wasn't..."  Lovely.
**I felt extra, as if the family had not lasted long enough to raise me. -- Very nice.
**I'm the only one of my siblings who kept in touch with Aunt Catherine (consistently over the last forty years).--Sometimes I feel like you give us quantative details we don't need and that can slow us down.  I love qualitative ones, though.  It may just be me.  I'd run this by the other group members.
**A few days later at the funeral home, my aunt is laid out in the same room where a decade before, her husband Bernard had been, and years before that, her Aunt Mary. -- Workding suggestions:  "A few days later my aunt is (ready to receieve visitors?) in the same room of the same funeral home where her husband Bernard had been laid out a decade before, and years before that, her Aunt Mary."  (This is lovely as is, but it gets tangled up a little in itself?)
**LOVE the last graph!


Okay, this is now turning into an issue, so let me put it in my sig file so everyone knows upfront:  I don't read or review fiction that includes sexual violence.  ] I just don't.  I will fight my way through sexual violence in your memoir, but not in your fiction.  I apologize in advance for anyone who is inconvenienced by this.
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#22 05-18-2008 06:21:50

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Re: Ellie's thread

Oh, sorry, I didn't know we were to leave our reviews here.  I reviewed two of your latest chapters but left them with your story.

I'm not all together clear on how this group works yet, don't have all the rules down as yet.

My fault.  I'm not at the computer much these days and having mine not work for almost three weeks didn't help the situation.

I do flub up a great deal in life, but one good thing about me, I don't tend to make the same mistake twice.

Pamela


Perfection must be a lovely state of being.  Saves all that unnecessary self-examination.

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#23 05-18-2008 06:46:48

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Pamela,

I think we're doing both.  Mish suggested we repost our reviews here (I think that's what she suggested, I'm a little befuddled these days) so that we could talk about them as a group as well.

And I don't think we have rules.  Except for the one that says "be respectful of one another." 

Do we?

Peace!
Sarah


Okay, this is now turning into an issue, so let me put it in my sig file so everyone knows upfront:  I don't read or review fiction that includes sexual violence.  ] I just don't.  I will fight my way through sexual violence in your memoir, but not in your fiction.  I apologize in advance for anyone who is inconvenienced by this.
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#24 05-18-2008 07:07:01

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Re: Ellie's thread

Respect I've got in spades.

Can handle that.

Thanks Sarah, and Good morning.


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#25 05-18-2008 08:35:39

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I woke up afraid Ellie would never speak to me again after this review.  Ellie, I forgot to say that as your story progresses, there will be plenty of opportunity to weave in what I suggested you leave out. the hok of the chapter is in the big stuff---I am very interested on a personal level to see how you cope with all these traumas.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well aren't you a busy lady? Because you are going somewhere with this: "The story that unfolded includes some big events, but is mostly a story of revelation and learning," which is much more interesting than a recitation of facts, I suggest you condense or eliminate the information overload.~~~

Example: I would cut out graphs 3.4.5.6. As we read along, not particularly fascinated by this info, we come to graph seven which should be HUGH--->I had gone through divorce, bankruptcy, and two bouts of breast cancer, I decided to just give up for awhile. In 1997 we had to sell our family home..."---->now truly, which bit of information is going to grab us, the name of a book you almost wrote, or the horrific ordeals of your life? ~~~

Also I would divide the graphs to give us a chance to catch our breath and for easier reading.~~~

Memoir, right: the events in your life AND how you respond to them. I have also read Ch 2, the beginning of the story. It is going to be an interesting ride, and one, I can see swirled with humor.


Go, eat your bread in gladness, and drink your wine in joy; for your action was long ago approved by God.
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