#1 07-01-2012 14:57:24
- d a reynolds
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When to Prologue, define a prologue
I'm sure I could google this, but hey you wonderful writers out there might be sat with hee haw to do.
Prologue's confuse me.
When, if at all, should I write one?
After the books completed?
Why should we consider writting one?
Do you agree with them?
How do you write a good prologue?
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#2 07-01-2012 17:44:31
Re: When to Prologue, define a prologue
d a reynolds wrote:
I'm sure I could google this, but hey you wonderful writers out there might be sat with hee haw to do.
Prologue's confuse me.
When, if at all, should I write one?
After the books completed?
Why should we consider writting one?
Do you agree with them?
How do you write a good prologue?
Cheers
D A Reynolds
Usually they're back story. And as such, often boring, stuffed with dry factoids and little action. And often the facts necessary to the story can be inserted in more palatable ways. When I read, I have a tendency to glaze over during prologues, and I often skip them entirely.
That said, I used one in Finding Sara. It was action-packed, and could have stood as a first chapter. I chose to make it a prologue because the time line was different - 6 months before the story began. Everything in the story eventually circled back to the events of that night, so it was an integral part of the plot.
I d'wanna answer those questions - sounds like work, and I don't think my answers will mean much.
You write one when it's needed, when it makes sense, and when you can do it without producing a snooze-fest. For me. Others have different tastes. I bore easily.
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#3 07-01-2012 18:33:22
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Re: When to Prologue, define a prologue
Often a prologue is written from the point of view of a character who otherwise doesn't get a viewpoint in the book. Or it takes place somewhere other than the main setting. Or outside the the main chronology of the story. Basically, a prologue lets you do something outside the "rules" that you set for the rest of the book. Readers implicitly understand that Chapter One is a new beginning. So a prologue can give you the freedom to show some piece of information that would be difficult or impossible to reveal in the main body of the story.
Using a prologue to tell a backstory is generally not advisable. It indicates laziness on the part of the writer (why didn't they work the information into the main story?) It's also boring (with very few exceptions). But lots of people do this, and I think that's part of the reason prologues suffer a certain stigma.
There are good reasons to use a prologue. But if you don't have a good reason to use a prologue, don't write one.
Prologues tend to make it more difficult to hook the reader, because it's almost like starting over when they get to Chapter 1. Instead of having to write one great opening, you have to write two.
A good prologue has tension and drama, just like any other opening scene/chapter.
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#4 07-01-2012 18:47:55
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Many people will tell you "editors hate prologues." Many of those people will tell you this when you attach one to your novel on this site. If it is true or not, I cannot say. Given how many books are printed which have prologues and are even on best-seller lists I am inclined to say this is nonsense. Nonetheless, people say it. Books on writing fiction say it. I don't say it. But there's that.
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#5 07-01-2012 19:31:37
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Re: When to Prologue, define a prologue
Hi,
I appreciate the insight, I may yet write one after all, as my character does not have a first person point of view. However I could yet write a complete chapter written in first person POV of a side character thinking back in a diary, kinda like Watson with Sherlock, partly for a great hook and also to prepare the reader as I feel my story is fairly complex. (or maybe I'm lazy :-)
Q.X.T. your picture cracks me up, I always think of Groucho Marx.
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#6 07-01-2012 20:35:23
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Re: When to Prologue, define a prologue
I think the truth is, "editors hate prologues that suck."
Lots of prologues do suck. Yours doesn't have to. :-)
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#7 07-02-2012 08:17:10
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Re: When to Prologue, define a prologue
d a reynolds wrote:
Q.X.T. your picture cracks me up, I always think of Groucho Marx.
Thanks, D.A.,
Of course, QXTR is merely my nome de plume. I am, in actual fact, the lost Marx brother . . . Karl.
Best,
Q
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#8 07-02-2012 09:08:07
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Re: When to Prologue, define a prologue
One of my favorite authors (C.S. Friedman) wrote a prologue for her Coldfire Trilogy that was essentially the introduction to the main character over a thousand years prior to the events of the trilogy itself. It was a bit of macabre thriller, action-packed, and yet really drove home who and what we were going to deal with in the rest of the book. It was written from the POV of the main character's wife, whom he sacrifices along with his children in order to change himself into something inhuman. If she'd just started with the first chapter, we wouldn't have had such a visceral reaction to him when he pops up later on as a *hero* instead of the villain we were expecting. So it's a bit of backstory, but made your heart race, gave depth to a main character, and was really well done.
So yeah, I think there's a place for a good prologue. It can even have backstory! But it needs to serve a purpose. Just having an infodump is likely not good.
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#9 07-02-2012 23:37:36
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Re: When to Prologue, define a prologue
tristania wrote:
I think the truth is, "editors hate prologues that suck."
I don't think that you, or I, or anyone know what "editors" like or don't like. There are many editors, surely they all have different likes and dislikes. As for "prologues that suck," such a determination is entirely subjective. Of course, no one thinks their own prolog sucks. The point is, there's an opinion out there that many editors don't like prologs, period, sucky or otherwise, because they delay the start of the plot. Again, I'm not saying I share this opinion. But if you care to look, you'll find many who do. Lots of people live by these little rules: love 'em or hate 'em, at least you might like to know 'em.
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#10 07-03-2012 10:00:05
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Re: When to Prologue, define a prologue
Q.X.T.Rhazmeulen wrote:
tristania wrote:
I think the truth is, "editors hate prologues that suck."
I don't think that you, or I, or anyone know what "editors" like or don't like. There are many editors, surely they all have different likes and dislikes. As for "prologues that suck," such a determination is entirely subjective. Of course, no one thinks their own prolog sucks. The point is, there's an opinion out there that many editors don't like prologs, period, sucky or otherwise, because they delay the start of the plot. Again, I'm not saying I share this opinion. But if you care to look, you'll find many who do. Lots of people live by these little rules: love 'em or hate 'em, at least you might like to know 'em.
Q
Hey QXT--The statement was made with tongue in cheek. I didn't mean to suggest that I claim some inside knowledge of what editors like or dislike. I would like to believe that most editors appreciate good writing, whether or not it includes a prologue, and eschew bad writing, whether or not it includes a prologue. While no one thinks that their own prologue "sucks" (not a word I would actually use in a review, by the way), others can point out problems and help the writer improve their prologue and make it work.
I am aware of the "rule" that editors don't like prologues. I've also read many published books with prologues. It's very common in the fantasy genre, especially. If it works for a particular story, I wouldn't discourage someone from writing one on the basis that some editors may personally dislike them. There is no way to anticipate the personal biases of editors, and that shouldn't be what drives the writer, anyway.
I personally think that new writers who put too much stock in rules like "editors don't like prologues" are doing themselves a disservice. Sometimes the only way to learn the reasoning behind the rules is to break them, and then see what it does to your story. But I suppose if following "the rules" gives you a comfortable place to start, that's fine.
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#11 07-03-2012 10:35:57
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Re: When to Prologue, define a prologue
tristania wrote:
Q.X.T.Rhazmeulen wrote:
tristania wrote:
I think the truth is, "editors hate prologues that suck."
I don't think that you, or I, or anyone know what "editors" like or don't like. There are many editors, surely they all have different likes and dislikes. As for "prologues that suck," such a determination is entirely subjective. Of course, no one thinks their own prolog sucks. The point is, there's an opinion out there that many editors don't like prologs, period, sucky or otherwise, because they delay the start of the plot. Again, I'm not saying I share this opinion. But if you care to look, you'll find many who do. Lots of people live by these little rules: love 'em or hate 'em, at least you might like to know 'em.
QHey QXT--The statement was made with tongue in cheek. I didn't mean to suggest that I claim some inside knowledge of what editors like or dislike. I would like to believe that most editors appreciate good writing, whether or not it includes a prologue, and eschew bad writing, whether or not it includes a prologue. While no one thinks that their own prologue "sucks" (not a word I would actually use in a review, by the way), others can point out problems and help the writer improve their prologue and make it work.
I am aware of the "rule" that editors don't like prologues. I've also read many published books with prologues. It's very common in the fantasy genre, especially. If it works for a particular story, I wouldn't discourage someone from writing one on the basis that some editors may personally dislike them. There is no way to anticipate the personal biases of editors, and that shouldn't be what drives the writer, anyway.
I personally think that new writers who put too much stock in rules like "editors don't like prologues" are doing themselves a disservice. Sometimes the only way to learn the reasoning behind the rules is to break them, and then see what it does to your story. But I suppose if following "the rules" gives you a comfortable place to start, that's fine.
I love prologues. I consider them a great courtesy; an invitation onto the front porch before the story starts.
I always read them carefully. Maybe because the ones that've made the cut of editors don't like prologues are the cream of the crop?
A prologue http://www.amazon.com/Shining-City-Nove … ining+city that has stuck with me for a long time is that of Shining City by Seth Greenland. The book was also great.
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#12 07-03-2012 16:12:46
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Re: When to Prologue, define a prologue
I would hope that anything that gets published is the cream of the crop, but unfortunately, this isn't always the case...
Most of the prologues I've read in published novels include the same things that are in the main body of the story: dramatic scenes, dialogue, maybe some narrative, but not a lot. It kind of alarms me when people say that they normally skip prologues, because to me, they are an integral part of the story.
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#13 07-03-2012 16:45:05
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Series sci fi or fantasy. The prologue brings the reader up to date. If I've read the preceding books, I'll skip (or skim) the prologue.
If a prologue is a snooze fest, I'll skip to the first chapter and see if it's any better. Most likely I just won't read further.
But I don't enjoy reading. I did enjoy it pre-Lyme, but now it's work, and if an author makes me work too hard for too little gain, I'll stop. And often a prologue stops me.
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#14 07-17-2012 20:26:27
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I wrote a prologue to my novel 'Hard Road Revisited' which can be read here on the site. When I published as a kindle book on Amazon I changed it to chapter one even though it is still a prologue. A prologue has to be exciting and capture the reader. It also has to have a reason (other than a lazy writers gimmick) to be needed.
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