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#1 04-11-2012 01:16:25

brosna11
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Preditors and Editors contest page

I was surprised yesterday to find so many contests not recommended by Preditors and Editors. Check them out if you want to find out which contests are legitimate and which are just for making money for the sponsors. It's a jungle out there.


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#2 04-11-2012 05:15:19

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Re: Preditors and Editors contest page

brosna11 wrote:

I was surprised yesterday to find so many contests not recommended by Preditors and Editors. Check them out if you want to find out which contests are legitimate and which are just for making money for the sponsors. It's a jungle out there.

My understanding is that Preditors and Editors doesn't give its stamp of approval to any contest that charges a fee. Are you alerting us to non-fee contests they also don't recommend?

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#3 04-11-2012 06:49:36

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Re: Preditors and Editors contest page

Probably not. Looks like a lot of fee payers are listed as not good. That leaves quite a few to enter without a fee. I have sent some items with fees attached and never heard  a single word in response. No "thanks for the loot', nothing. So I'm not entering any more fee paid contests. It's a racket. Maybe we should start up our own fee paid contests. Make some quick cash.

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#4 04-11-2012 11:36:10

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Re: Preditors and Editors contest page

I just wanted to mention that the Faulkners charge entry fees, so that members here don't get the wrong idea.

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#5 04-11-2012 14:35:48

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Re: Preditors and Editors contest page

I find it disheartening they seem to only recommend contests that don't charge fees. There are plenty of legitimate publications/orgs out there that charge fees for their contests in order to fund contest prizes/scholarships and help keep the organization afloat.  I don't see what's so wrong with charging fees if the $$ is handled appropriately. Plus, it's a fairly standard practice even outside the writing world. I sure as hell never got to compete in a horse show without paying a fee... and they were usually that of the measly fees I've been charged to enter my writing.

I looked to see what they think about the contests I have entered, but they're not on there. Pred-Ed is a great resource, especially for checking out snaky publishers.


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#6 04-11-2012 14:43:09

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Re: Preditors and Editors contest page

I entered my novel at UMass press a few yrs ago, paid 25. to have them take a gander, never heard a single word from them. So I wouldn't send anything else to them. I had to send a printed 200 page hard copy. I sent Levellers online and they took it. No fee. Sent some poetry to a few listed places in January, never heard. Waste of money. I understand why they may need money but there are worthy places and not so worthy. I'm going along with Preditors as there are writing contests with no fees. Subscriptions are one thing but entry fees are another. I'm all done with those.


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#7 04-11-2012 14:59:58

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Re: Preditors and Editors contest page

brosna11 wrote:

I entered my novel at UMass press a few yrs ago, paid 25. to have them take a gander, never heard a single word from them. So I wouldn't send anything else to them. I had to send a printed 200 page hard copy. I sent Levellers online and they took it. No fee. Sent some poetry to a few listed places in January, never heard. Waste of money. I understand why they may need money but there are worthy places and not so worthy. I'm going along with Preditors as there are writing contests with no fees. Subscriptions are one thing but entry fees are another. I'm all done with those.

Well it's completely different, imo, if a PRESS you're submitting a novel to for publication requests a fee. That's seedy and I wouldn't submit to them, either. I also wouldn't submit a short story or poem (though I don't write the latter) for publication to any place that requested a fee upfront. I agree - save your money. Contests are a different beast.

Though ironically, the contest I just paid to enter responded a couple days later with a "thank you for your submission, everything looks good" note. The one I didn't pay to enter never said a word, and it's been a couple months now. Most places say they only notify you if  you win, too, so I guess if you don't hear anything it means you didn't win. I check the site periodically. Fingers crossed...


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#8 04-12-2012 06:56:58

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Re: Preditors and Editors contest page

A few moons ago I read discussions about academic contests where winners frequently seemed to be insiders, friends of the judges, etc. The journals appear to be legitimate but the judges aren't necessarily. I can't site examples but had the impression that the problem was fairly universal. Someone should do some research to see which winners are closely connected to judges. Should be easy enough. It might be a book. Let's say a poetry editor or group of poetry editors has a contest at UConn and the winner is a nephew of the Dean. Do they have disqualifying rules like some commercial contests? Just asking.

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#9 04-12-2012 07:06:02

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Re: Preditors and Editors contest page

Ugh! That's upsetting. Though I enjoy the UConn example because I'm originally from CT and grew up thinking I'd go to that school. I still have a soft spot for it. UConn wouldn't do such a thing! tongue (I know it's a hypothetical. lol.)

Most of the contests I have entered ask you to leave your name and any other identifying info off the actual entry. That's why the Faulkners people ask for a title page with your name/info on it, and then the entry itself. They can judge blind that way. Unless of course the judges aren't as scrupulous as the organizers want you to believe, and they still get their hands on the title pages. I guess we'll never know...


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#10 04-12-2012 11:08:26

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Exactly. We'll never know who does what. The fix is in as they say in gangster movies. Huge careers have been built from the ground up by unscrupulous editors, friends of editors, all those people. I had a friend who worked at Mass Review for 30 yrs. One day she came to work and found her chair outside the building. They didn't have the chutzpah to fire her directly. They just threw her out. She wasn't even trying to publish her work there. She was a dedicated secretary. They were editors. Go figure.


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#11 06-24-2012 14:43:47

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Re: Preditors and Editors contest page

brosna11 wrote:

Exactly. We'll never know who does what. The fix is in as they say in gangster movies. Huge careers have been built from the ground up by unscrupulous editors, friends of editors, all those people. I had a friend who worked at Mass Review for 30 yrs. One day she came to work and found her chair outside the building. They didn't have the chutzpah to fire her directly. They just threw her out. She wasn't even trying to publish her work there. She was a dedicated secretary. They were editors. Go figure.

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#12 06-24-2012 15:37:38

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flowing pencil wrote:

brosna11 wrote:

Exactly. We'll never know who does what. The fix is in as they say in gangster movies. Huge careers have been built from the ground up by unscrupulous editors, friends of editors, all those people. I had a friend who worked at Mass Review for 30 yrs. One day she came to work and found her chair outside the building. They didn't have the chutzpah to fire her directly. They just threw her out. She wasn't even trying to publish her work there. She was a dedicated secretary. They were editors. Go figure.

Hmmmmm.. Did Mitt own the company?  Only kidding!  smile

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I guess U Mass owns it. The office is on the campus.


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#13 06-24-2012 20:51:06

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Re: Preditors and Editors contest page

I entered two contests listed on the Poets & Writers site. Both contest charged fees, both had hundreds of entries, both were 100% legit. Monadnock Writers was one, Pikes Peak Writers was the other.

Preditors & Editors is quite useful for checking out agents and publishers for scams (on their Absolute Write Water Cooler page), but their no-fee policy in order to let contests pass their legit test is dumb.  As JEliz notes, Faulkers charges a fee, too.

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