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#1 02-15-2012 18:43:01

kevin.gagnon
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Lesson 1 of my course

I hope it's o.k that I ask this question here. I've come to really enjoy the feedback from the people who frequent here.

I'm very discouraged and wondering if I started to bite more than I could chew as a writer. In lesson 1 of my Long Ridge course I am to write a 500 word description of a person that I know. No matter how many different people I've tried writing about, no matter how much information I have about each one I can't seem to "show" rather than "tell". I keep on "telling" about the person instead of of showing who the person is. I can't seem to put a person into a setting and bring all the characteristics together to describe the person. I  come up with a 500 word description that is mostly just telling and no flow to it.

Does anyone have anything that could help me out with this instead of my plans to just quit the course. I feel discouraged because I can't imagine most who take on this course has this much difficulty with just lesson 1.

Thanks for your time.

Kevin

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#2 02-15-2012 18:55:36

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Okay.  There a couple of things you can try.

First, write a description of each item of his clothing. 

Shoes-tattered, old, white, gray shoestrings, silver tape on the heel.
Shirt--too tight, gray, missing third button between the chest and belly button, collar is tucked in on the left but not on the right, sale tag on left sleeve, each sleeve is rolled to the elbows.

So on...

Once you describe his clothes that way, describe his looks piece by piece.

Hair--brown, dark like espresso, cheap haircut cut too close to the scalp on the sides, wave in the slightly longer hair on the top, shiny, vaguely oily, bushy eyebrows, clean-shaven.

Skin--pale olive skin, knuckles skinned on both hands, lightly haired forearms and neck which makes the skin there seem more personal and intimate.

And so on.

Sometimes listing each item with just descriptions without sentences...takes the pressure off you.  You tell it all in list format.

Then instead of just telling your reader about him.  Have him do an action in a mini story...this will give you a plot.

It's no wonder it's telling because a description without plot---is telling.

You aren't doing anything wrong.

Just take all those details you lay out then tell a story with the details.

Showing is doing.
Telling is was, is, at aming.

Write it first--then we'll help you edit it.

Does that help at all?

If it doesn't, post a paragraph and we'll help you convert it.  Once you see it, it'll be easier to do the rest yourself.

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#3 02-15-2012 21:41:46

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

Thanks Tirzah,

I've had the same problem.  I'm hoping to do better with everybody's help.

Wes

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#4 02-16-2012 04:14:30

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

Thanks for the feedback. I will work on this again tonight after work tell you how it goes. I appreciate not agreeing with me to just quit. smile

Kevin

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#5 02-16-2012 08:18:48

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If it were easy, everyone would do it. smile

I have issues with tense myself.  We all have something that drives us bonkers.

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#6 02-16-2012 08:33:02

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What a fantastic lesson. It's something I knew, but couldn't quite put my finger on. Thanks Tirz, well said.


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#7 02-16-2012 08:49:29

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

Tirz is my go to girl when I need help with something now. She gave me great advice on how to make my character less creepy...SHE nailed it. I highly recommend we all ask her for advice and often!!

Thanks Tirz you really helped me a lot with Nichole!

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#8 02-16-2012 08:53:51

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

kevin.gagnon wrote:

Thanks for the feedback. I will work on this again tonight after work tell you how it goes. I appreciate not agreeing with me to just quit. smile

Kevin

Kevin if you want to be a writer you have to get one thing straight. Quitting is never an option. Putting it down, walking away, taking a bath, getting drunk, high, relaxing and forgetting about it for a while is ok. Quitting is not.


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#9 02-16-2012 10:11:29

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/sh … -tell.aspx

Or read my short story, THE WOMAN IN THE WOOD

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#10 02-16-2012 10:20:10

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

Read Ann Beattie. smile


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#11 02-17-2012 11:40:38

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

Kevin, you can help create a visual of your character by putting them into action, rather than just trying to describe a cardboard cutout standing idle. How a person goes about doing anything, or how they react to something in their environment, helps creates an image.

Plus, you can incorporate their physical features in a sentence loaded with action. Example: Brad spun a six-shooter in each hand before holstering the Colts and running strong fingers through his unruly long hair.

If a character walked into a room and tripped over a small dog, his reaction would tell a lot about his character: he kicked the dog with all his might, or he knelt down to see if the dog was all right.

Giving your character a profession, and physically describing him as he goes about his job duties helps create a visual: Robert E's arms, bulging from years of blacksmithing . . . his face, weathered from a decade of standing over the fire and bellows necessary for a blacksmith . . . . or worse, frightened of horses (not good for a blacksmith).

Even how a character does something as mundane as opening a drawer -- does he yank it open, or cautiously slide it out, as though he's afraid something is in the drawer he doesn't want to see; or he just isn't overly masculine in his actions; or he has a suspicious nature and he's looking for evidence against his girlfriend.

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#12 02-17-2012 13:28:38

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

Yep adding some sort of plot/action will help.


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#13 02-18-2012 04:17:14

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

Thanks for the help everyone. I will post rough draft in this thread. Very much appreciated.

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#14 02-18-2012 08:14:42

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

Study this article on body language. It's a terrific way of showing what your character is thinking/wanting by describing his/her body language. http://www.businessballs.com/body-language.htm  Study the body


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#15 02-20-2012 14:04:43

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

kevin.gagnon wrote:

I hope it's o.k that I ask this question here. I've come to really enjoy the feedback from the people who frequent here.

I'm very discouraged and wondering if I started to bite more than I could chew as a writer. In lesson 1 of my Long Ridge course I am to write a 500 word description of a person that I know. No matter how many different people I've tried writing about, no matter how much information I have about each one I can't seem to "show" rather than "tell". I keep on "telling" about the person instead of of showing who the person is. I can't seem to put a person into a setting and bring all the characteristics together to describe the person. I  come up with a 500 word description that is mostly just telling and no flow to it.

Does anyone have anything that could help me out with this instead of my plans to just quit the course. I feel discouraged because I can't imagine most who take on this course has this much difficulty with just lesson 1.

Thanks for your time.

Kevin

Translate description into actions.

For example, if he "gets angry quickly" then write a sequence where he hits somebody for no reason.

That's what Coppolla did in THE GODFATHER. He wanted to show Sonny was quick tempered so he's shown throwing a photographer's  camera onto the ground.

It's probably one of the most important lessons.

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#16 02-21-2012 06:08:50

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

Again thanks to everyone for the help. I almost gave up, I really did. I found a person to write about that has an interesting tale. About a women I knew growing up who lived in a shack. My father use to bring me to her place as a child as he would help her out often. Anyways I started writing about her and it is seeming closer to a finished rough draft than other people I tried to write about. I was able to find a setting with her much easier as well. Her setting alone is as interesting as she was. Now I know I'm still missing many pieces of the puzzle of this 500 word story of this person. I know I could be more descriptive and have more action. I'm just sharing with you what I have so far in case there are some suggestions that can open up the description and action of what I have so far. I'm just pushing 500 words so with adding to action and description I might end up going over, but I'm imagining there is quite a bit deleting gonna go on as well. smile smile I can see how she is more interesting than I describe. p

Here's what I have so far. First the story than below the story I pasted some of the description I remember of the person I'm writing about. You will notice I left a lot out as I couldn't quite get to fitting much of it in there yet. There is some of that description I remember of her I rather leave out like being quick tempered. Rather stay focused on her kindness. Also I do not want to be given too much feedback to where it does the thinking for me. Suggestions are enough. I'm sure you guys are good at this and I probably didn't need to explain. smile smile

Thanks for your time everyone. Much appreciated.

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Hilda the shack lady

Most people know Hilda as the women who lives in a shack in the woods. She was old to me, I guessed in her 50’s, but might a been deceived by her color of hair and wrinkles. The shack is about seven miles from town, down a logging road. For reasons unknown to everyone she chooses not to live in the house right next door that was moved there for her. A house that is much better insulated for the cold winters. The people who have known her for a long time, people who have helped her from time to time have given up arguing with her about moving into the house. “I’m a very stubborn German"  as she would often say in her german accent.

When I went to visit her as a boy with my father who is one of the people who helps her when he can, I remember walking into the shack for the first time and Hilda handed me a old rusty toy she had sitting on a shelf, which looked like it might a came from germany, maybe a toy she had plaid with as a child. The toy was more interesting to look at than to play with, I guess because of how old it looked to me. She offered us something to drink, which I remember saying no in fear of what she was going to give me. At this time this shack was a bit scary for a little boy. Her loud German accent voice didn’t help my fear. While she was putting wood in the fireplace as a typical little boy I took the opportunity to stare at her a bit without her noticing. I observed that she was wearing clothes that appeared way too large for a women of her size. It looked like clothing meant a large male. I also noticed that her clothing looked very dirty, actually looked greasy like her hair. Almost appeared like her clothing and her hair shined in unison. She turned around and caught me staring at her with a serious and scared look on my face as if I was caught doing something wrong. I think she knew it because she started to talk to me as if she wanted to make me feel comfortable. The whole time I was there it was like her maternal instincts kicked in to make me feel comfortable. I started to feel comfortable enough to take her up on that offer for a drink. She reached into her little white cooler and pulled out a soda. Couldn’t find an expiry date, but drank it anyways.

Our visit was coming to an end and we had to say our goodbyes. I remember Hilda every time we would leave she would have a tear, and sometimes even sob. I guess she felt lonely there and our visits gave her a sense of companionship. I remember just that first visit being attached to Hilda from that day forward. We would frequently visit her throughout my childhood. Today she still lives in that old shack with the nice livable house next door.

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Old ripped clothing
Unwashed in months
Male clothing
Oversized
Seams coming apart on her shoes
Sleeves rolled up because shirt too big for her


Looking aged, but not as aged as her actual age
Long gray hair, sometimes down but usually in a pony tail.
Hair greasy
Smiles often
Pale skin, which reveals a dirty face
German

Likes to talk
Has lots of stories
Quick tempered

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#17 02-21-2012 14:14:19

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Hi Kevin, I was saddened by this story sad but warmed by the people in the community who tried to care for this woman.

Please take my comments with a grain of salt, it's just my opinion.  Seeing your character through the boy's eyes was a nice touch, but this needs a good editing. There's some misspelled words, and repetition of words and phrases that pin you as an amateur writer.

You listed characteristics at the end, citing that she likes to tell stories and has a quick temper. However, you did not show either of these traits in this piece.

One word to try and stay clear of is "very", it's a crutch. Use stronger nouns and verbs and you won't have to rely on this. You wouldn't necessarily say "he's very dead" (he's either dead or not) so don't rely on "very" unless it's really called for.

Add some white space, it's easier on the reader's eyes. Break the second graph into at least three. You also use a lot of passives here, but I get the impression it's not on purpose, that it's another amateur mistake. Passive is dragging down the pace throughout your story.

We could use more motivation on the part of the old lady, like why she won't move into the nice house (which would have been a huge undertaking to get down a logging road and put it out in the woods for her. If I was one of the townsfolk that went to that much trouble, and then she wouldn't live in it, I'd be pissed!)

You did a good job of describing her physically, but could engage a reader with a little more backstory about her, such as her family situation or how she came to be living alone in the woods. (Her husband left one day to go hunting and never returned, so she refuses to leave, waiting for his return; she's hiding from the Kaiser; she was a Nazi -- give us something).

I admit I was very curious why she refused to move into the nicer (and warmer) house.

One writer's tool you may want to invest in is AutoCrit. It would help with the repetition and passives.

So I did my own editing, and this is what I came up with (based on what you wrote so far):

Most people know Hilda as the woman who lives in a shack in the woods. She seemed old to me, maybe in her 50s, but I might have been deceived by the color of her hair and her wrinkles. The shack is about seven miles from town, down an abandoned logging road. For reasons unknown, she refuses to live in the house next door that was moved there especially for her, a house much better insulated against the cold. People who have known her a long time and helped her in the past have given up. "I'm a very stubborn German," she would often say in her heavy old world accent.

I went to visit her as a boy with my father, one of the few people who took an interest in her well being. I remember walking into the shack for the first time and Hilda handed me a rusty toy which looked like it might have come from Germany. The toy was interesting to look at, old enough to have been one of her own toys. She offered us something to drink; I remember saying "no" instantly, in fear of what she would serve. The shack was a scary place for a little boy at that time. Her loud and strangely accented voice did little to alleviate my fears.

As a typical little boy, I took the opportunity to stare at her while she put wood in the fireplace. She was wearing clothes too large for a woman her size. The clothing looked more like belonging to a large man, maybe her husband, although I had never heard of anyone else living there with her. The clothing was dirty and as greasy as her hair. She turned around and caught me watching her with a serious and frightened look on my face.

To her credit, she started to talk soothingly to me, relaying a tale of adventure in those very woods. I guessed she was trying to make me feel comfortable, so I accepted the offer of something to drink. She produced a soda bottle from a little white cooler. I couldn't find an expiration date, but drank it anyway, and gave her my thanks.

Our visit was ending and it was time to say goodbye. I remember every time we would leave, Hilda shed tears and sometimes even sobbed, making my father and I both feel terrible. She must have been very lonely living out there alone. I became very attached to Hilda after that first visit, and throughout my childhood, looked forward to hearing her stories, whether they were true or not. Hilda still lives in that old shack, refusing to even step foot in the nice house next door, for reasons she refuses to share.

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I was just trying to flesh things out a bit more. Good luck in your class.  Please fix Seems in your description list. It should be Seams. Sharon

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#18 02-21-2012 14:34:08

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

Thank you Sharon very much for taking the time. I appreciate the suggestions. I hope to hand this in by the 24th, so will work on it and share the final draft in this thread. Again thanks.

Kevin

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#19 02-21-2012 15:44:42

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You could also do it in real time even though it's a memory.

The air smelled of burnt bread and smoke but as Hilda stepped out out of her shack and lifted her tobacco stained fingers in greeting, I clenched my dad's callous hand.   

Even if it's in the past, it doesn't mean you can't describe it as if it's happening.  Put it in the now.  You pulled up to Hilda's shack.  You saw, smelled, tasted, touched and so on.

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#20 02-21-2012 17:24:31

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Re: Lesson 1 of my course

I will try to put it in the now and see how that goes. I have to submit this by the 24th so hopefully I get it done soon. Thanks for everyone's help you have no idea how much I appreciate it.

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#21 02-22-2012 04:43:08

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O.k here it is edited a bit more. I tried putting it in the now and found that difficult to do. Maybe that's where I struggled before because the other times I had been trying to write in the now. When I thought about Hilda I started writing in the past and it came a bit easier to me. I will continue to try a "now" version, but for now here is the rough draft edited a bit more than it was. Still a lot of work to do but I will eventually just have to send it in and let the instructor guide me from there.

523 Words
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Most people know Hilda as the women who lives in a shack in the woods. She was old to me, maybe in her 50’s, but I might be deceived by her color of hair and wrinkles. The shack is about seven miles from town, down a logging road. For reasons unknown to everyone she chooses not to live in the house right next door that was moved there for her fifteen years prior. An inherited house from a family member the house is much better insulated for the cold winters. Many townsfolk have tried to persuade her to move into the house. She would reveal a temper when she responded to their pressure “I’m a very stubborn German, and I don’t want to move into the house.

When I went to visit her as a boy with my father who is one of the few who have had an interest in her well being. I remember walking into the shack for the first time and Hilda handed me an old rusty toy, which looked like it might a came from Germany. The toy looked old enough to have been her own toy when she was a child. She offered us something to drink; I answered immediately “no" in fear of what she would be serving. This shack was a scary place for a little boy. Her loud German accent voice didn’t help alleviate my fears.

As a typical little boy curiously stared at her while she put wood in the fireplace. I observed that she was wearing clothes that appeared way too large for a women of her size. The clothing looked more like belonging to a large man I thought, but I had never heard my father say anything about anyone else living there with her. Her clothing was dirty and looked greasy like her hair. She turned around and caught me staring at her with a serious and scared look on my face as if I was caught doing something wrong.

I think she knew it because she started to talk soothingly to me as if an attempt to make me feel more comfortable She would tell me tales of her life in the woods. She cried when she told me about her pet dogs over the years that she lost to a logging truck passing by. I started to feel comfortable enough to take her up on that offer for a drink. She reached into her little white cooler and pulled out a can of soda. I graciously thanked her while looking for an expiry, there was none, but drank it anyway.

Our visit was ending and we had to say goodbye. I remember every time we would leave Hilda would shed tears, and sometimes even sobbed, making both my father and I feel terrible. She must a felt lonely out there alone in those woods. I remember just that first visit being attached to Hilda from that day forward. We would frequently visit her throughout my childhood. Hilda still lives in that old shack, refusing to move into the house next door, for reasons she refused to share.

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#22 02-22-2012 06:57:13

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Sorry - the easiest way for me to make suggestions is to just go ahead and write them. There were tense issues, an "I" where a "me" should have been, and, to me, some sentences that were too formal and/or awkward. Here's what I came up with - maybe you can use some of it? Toss the rest. smile


Everyone knew Hilda as the woman who lived in the shack in the woods.

I was a boy, and she was old, most likely in her 50’s, but I might have been deceived by the gray hair and wrinkles. Her shack was about seven miles from town, down a dirt logging road.

Hilda lived in that shack by choice. She had a house right next door, one that had been moved there just for her. She’d inherited the house from family, and it was much better insulated against the cold (location) winters. Many of the townsfolk tried to persuade her to move into the house, but she’d respond angrily, “I’m a very stubborn German, and I don’t want to move into the house.â€

I remember walking into the shack for the first time with my father, one of the few people concerned with her wellbeing. Hilda handed me a rusty toy that looked as if it might have come from Germany. It looked old enough to have been her own toy when she was a child. (This would be a good place to tell what the toy was.)

She offered us something to drink, and I answered, “No,“ afraid of what she might be serving. The shack was a scary place for a little boy. Her loud voice and German accent didn’t help.

Curious, I watched her while she put wood in the fireplace. She was wearing clothes that appeared way too large for a women of her size, dirty and greasy like her hair. The shirt and trousers looked more like they belonged to a big man, but my father had never mentioned anyone else living there. She turned around and caught me staring at her with a serious and scared look on my face, afraid I was doing something wrong.

I think she knew how I felt, because she started to talk soothingly to me as if an attempt to make me more comfortable. She told me tales of her life in the woods. She cried when she told me about her pet dogs over the years that she lost to a logging truck passing by. I started to feel comfortable enough to take her up on that offer of a drink. She reached into her little white cooler and pulled out a can of soda. I graciously thanked her while looking for an expiry. There was none, but I drank it anyway.

Our visit came to an end, and we had to say goodbye, but we came back often. I remember every time we left, Hilda shed tears, and sometimes even sobbed, making both my father and me feel terrible. She must have been lonely out there alone in those woods.

After that first visit, I became attached to Hilda. We called on her frequently throughout my childhood, and I often think of her today. Hilda still lives in that old shack, and still refuses to move into the house next door, for reasons she refuses to share.

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#23 02-22-2012 09:48:58

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It's very visual. 

But I still think some touch, sound, taste wouldn't hurt.


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#24 02-22-2012 10:07:03

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Great article, Jaames.  Thanks for posting. Lots of food for thought there!

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#25 02-22-2012 11:38:50

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Kevin, I like Lucy's version a lot, it's more stream lined and to the point, where yours still rambles a bit. You could add that there was some feud among Hilda'a family and that's why she refuses to live in the house, or she thinks it's haunted. It leaves a very unanswered question about why she won't live in the house, unless she's mentally ill, which could be played up more.

You are telling instead of showing when you say "would reveal a temper" -- show an action that depicts her as having a temper. Example: I remember becoming frightened one day when she pitched the water pail across the room when my father pushed her to  move into the house next door.

Tirzah has also made a good point. Add at least the smell of the shack (I'm sure it wasn't pleasant). There's an old guideline in writing about plugging in the senses: sight, smell, sound, touch, taste and emotions, to help ground your reader in the scene. I've been in such a shack with such a filthy person. My eyes watered and I got a disgusting taste in my mouth from the awful smell.

Keep plugging away, that's how we all learn to write. Sharon

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