I just stopped by to announce that my new website is open for "business". I give my huge thanks to the help of one person that heard my pathetic cry for assistence here (or emotional blackmail as one member kindly put it). Seeing that I'm as popular as Nixon after his resignation, I hesitate to reveal that person's name. But if at any time in the future I manage to miraculously become successful and loved, the rights are reserved for that person to receive full credit and a hand in the spoils.
      Admittedly being a complete amateur, my website is nowhere near as professional, famous, or profitable as this one. I am a big fish in a very little pond, but at least NOW I'm inside some FUCKING WATER!

www.angryredmark.weebly.com

(if I can build a little following, I'll register the name and remove the weebly part.)

Hi ARM,

Glad to see you back.   I thought you'd gone and committed hari kari from all the hate mail.  Just kidding.  We really are a nice bunch you know.  Well, most of us ...

I'm looking forward to seeing what you get up to.  Just behave yourself this time :-)

Pann

Last edited by pannastra (12-15-2010 10:44:42)

Me again.
   I decided to go ahead and purchase the domain anyway. the weebly part in the address kept bugging me. So it's the full-blown
www.angryredmark.com
now. Since I'm starting at the very bottom of the .coms i have nowhere to evolve but up. Unless the internet is based on creationism, to which then I'm going to be crawling around the dirt and getting stepped on for eons.

Oy! I really do appreciate the kind posts showing interest in my coming back, (seriously, they're the only indication that what I do is even noticed) but I don't want to submit work that can't be read by nonmembers.
   I went through alot of trouble trying to make what I publish here interesting (I miss using the summary boxes the most). It's just that this whole website feels too isolated and transient to be a home for what I write. (Does anyone else find it a little creepy that the ONLY readers that are allowed to see our stuff are essentially our own competition in the writing business?) I bet most of the members that fill the ranks (my only potential audience) pay a one month subscription fee, then let it expire, taking away any trace they were here. I wanted an environment that seems open to the public and permanent.
   Case in point: Does somebody on this website remember the guy who wrote 'DO NOT READ THIS'? You know, that somewhat cynical bus trip story? If you do,  then please let me know. The story is pulled off now. I forgot his name and I want to track him down.

I agree with everything you said, which is painful seeing how it contradicts all of my thinking.
  Okay, now that I'm finally starting to figure out what the hell I'm doing and what all this is for, I'll make a deal. I'll just send all the stories and poems I wrote which I think suck, and everybody can hack at them however they please without fear of retribution. I'll even apply every recommendation. If any of them stops sucking, I'm taking it off and sending it to www.angryredmark.com (for those of you in the audience just tuning in).
    And the statement you made that there's no chance of book publication when posting on my website is also depressing me. The love of the craft alone will have to sustain me. I just wish it could sustain my rent too.

Ven's right about self-publishing.  If you've done that and can prove sales OR they like the book, they'll pick it up.  Especially if they think they can put money on it.

But beware of just posting a piece of work, say a short story or complete novel on the website for the masses to read - if you intend to try to get it traditionally published.  Mom had two publishers mention they wouldn't read anything that had been publicly been posted.  It really depends on the publisher.  Because with the e-book craze, why would anyone buy it if you've got the whole thing posted for anyone to read free, right?

I say put some stuff on your site that you think is finished and would be a good representative of your work.  That way you can show what you can do.  Then save the stuff you plan on sending out for publication.

I prefer sticking with Venator's more optimistic assessment, though maybe only because I want to believe I didn't just buy a website for nothing. Or maybe because I cussed him out in front of everybody and feel remorseful.
   I've also seen books published on material still available free for the web, so I know it's not unprecedented. But no matter what happens, I am tired of chasing editors. I'm ready to have my writing future depend on the impact of my website alone.  Either the world comes to me or it breaks contact entirely. I will not budge. I will not go out to solicit. I will not mail another manuscript.  I don't care about the odds, since I like to make impossible demands for my pen anyway.
    P.S. I'm still awaiting an answer to the location of the guy who wrote 'DO NOT READ THIS.' I really want to read his other stuff.

Or maybe because I cussed him out in front of everybody and feel remorseful.

No need, I hadn't given it a first thought, let alone a second.

Jeni is right in that one's options are restricted with some (especially small) publishers and given that the odds are apparently better for a first time author with a small publisher... also a lot of agents don't like work to be freely accessible (because then they might get cut out of the loop, I suspect). It's just not a universal thing.

Yeah, good idea, mr. hubbard.  I just went over to see it and my eyes are now jittery.  LOL

BTW, Angry, your 'Happy Together' parody is pretty damned funny, particularly that last line before the final refrain   Do a Youtube video

The white on black is always easier on my eyes.    The white backgrounds always bother me.  But the text is off white, not uber white.

But to fix it, he'll have to change the template he's using.  and then manually change the font color.

*sniff*

I smell Witness Protection. 

On the earlier note - I first had my blog on black background with HOT PINK writing.  Nobody mentioned any problems reading it, until I changed it.  Then even my closest friends said, "Oh thank GOD you changed that.  It was hard as hell to read."

Gee thanks, guys.  You gonna let me sit all through dinner with a big booger in my nose too?

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TessB wrote:

jules_s wrote:

TessB wrote:

Hmm - yes good luck to ARM with his site. Having a read through what he has posted on his website I see that he takes a swipe at tNBW site and names it as leaving him with scars from  his experience. Yet here is his seeking support and/or information from the site filled with people he dislikes. I sense an inequality.  Tess

I won't speak for Mark, he's quite capable of that himself.  "We"  (the site and ARM) got off to a rocky start for whatever reason, water under the bridge now as far as I'm concerned.  We all had our say during the first go-round, noses were thumbed as needed in what I find to be a refreshingly honest way.  I don't feel he's being disengenuous in what he says here or there.  (read the dates).  I'm hoping we can get along.

j

Hi jules_s - Should I feel affronted that in suggesting "We"  - ( the site and ARM ) got off to a rocky start that you can speak for me, or I am now being shunned and excluded from the we of this site?  Yes I was here and yes I saw what unfolded.  I also can read and noted the date. I would suggest if you are part of a community and you got off to a rocky start yet now see things in a different light you could say that on your blog or delete - amend your  post - thats IMO - surely I am allowed that?

I would hope you aren't feeling affronted at all, nor was my intent to exclude you from anything.  I quoted you for context for my remarks, not to start a urinary olympics with you or anyone else.  I'm simply suggesting what happened, happened-  and this could be a fresh start for all.  I guess it doesn't affect me personally that he expresses his feelings about his personal experience on his blog.  I had hoped that when I couched my remark about a rocky start that it would be neutral, not about assigning blame on one  side or the other.

You can certainly choose to feel resentful of Mark (or me now) if you wish. 

respectfully-

jules