#1 01-28-2010 07:14:59
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Bionics, Sci-Fi?
The first part of my question is if something that involves Bionics would be considered straight up sci-fi, or would it fit into the thriller genre?
I was thinking of writing a story that involves a character who has something happen that makes it so that he gets multiple bionic implants and even a newly developed, self-healing synthetic skin. The Six Million Dollar theme of a military type who has an accident may be considered overdone, i think, so i am trying to look for a new angle on this and i am finding it kind of hard. Any suggestions or ways to kind of look at it to get a jump start would be greatly appreciated.
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#2 01-28-2010 09:45:04
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I think it would depend on how much already known or speculated technology you use. If it's going to be so far advanced that we haven't got anything even remotely like it, I would go with sci-fi. Otherwise, if it stays within the realm of possibility, you could use the thriller category.
Just my own observation here, but sci-fi (and in some respects fantasy) seems to be a pariah among genres these days. It's far and few between to find agents or publishers willing to look at it. Look at the works of Michael Crichton and Robin Cook. I would often find their work under both genres at the bookstore. Think of Terminal Man and Coma. Depending on the slant you use, it can be either one, i.e. Capricorn One, Westworld, etc.
Synthetic bloods, skins, etc. were things Amgen et al were working on 20 years ago when I worked for them. Lots of things previously considered sci-fi, are science and technology today. Great leaps have been made in gill research as well as a synthetic underwater breathing apparatus. Hover crafts are for sale by a Canadian company, but are being held back by the oil industry lobbyists from being sold in the U.S. Basically, if you can think of it, it's probably already being studied or used somewhere, somehow. If you can work this "reality" into it, you'd have a good thriller.
I think, if I remember right, wasn't Universal Soldier a bionic man as well? I think Wolverine was also developed with the regenerating skin concept. The Island used cloning concepts. Robocop, Running Delilah, etc. all bionics or cyborg technology stories. Yeah, it really has been used quite a bit.
Here's a thought. What if you combined the basic concepts of Eagle Eye and Six Million Dollar Man? The bionics are controlled by a self-learning computer with a conscience. He becomes a reluctant hero driven by this computer until the computer starts to forget the human element in the 'rescues'. That way it could be more a techno thriller than a sci-fi. If you want even more, you could add in the plot elements of Body Parts and the bionics were originally tested in condemned prisoner experiments and take on their "evil" essence. Hehe, well, don't blame me. I haven't had my morning coffee yet. ![]()
If you go sci-fi, you could use nanobots as a derma shield.
Well, don't know if any of this is helpful, but thought I'd throw it out for the heck of it. ![]()
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#3 01-28-2010 10:14:53
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Re: Bionics, Sci-Fi?
Thanks a bunch, Kydd, this stuff really helps. I like the idea of combining Eagle Eye and the other and how about if, to complicate matters more, the character, let's call him Charlie Roarke, doesn't know he's bionic and has a self aware computer chip in his head. What if he wakes up at a murder scene and tries to find out what happened and why he killed somebody and along the way he finds out all the memories he has are ones that the computer chip planted in him, everything he believes to be true about his past isn't. So now he has to find out about his past and why he killed somebody and doesn't even realize why he did.
How does that sound?
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#4 01-28-2010 11:14:51
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Sounds pretty plausible for a plot to me, Preacher. If you haven't seen Body Parts, you should, just to get a general idea of what not to copy though. It's not really that bad of a horror movie either. Written by the guy who wrote Vertigo for Hitchcock, a very prolific B-movie horror writer over the years, Pierre Boileau. Stars Jeff Fahey (real nice guy in person when I worked with him), Kim Delaney, Brad Dourif, and Paul Ben-Victor. It's definitely a psychological thriller as well. But it could help you consider some of the more desperate scenes of not knowing or understanding what's going on. It mostly asks the question, where does evil reside and how is it manifested? Very interesting to think about actually.
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#5 01-28-2010 11:27:07
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Thanks a bunch. I am going to order that movie and the original Universal soldier to get different ideas and slants on the whole topic. I am going to work on it and see what i come up with, maybe it will even sound interesting LOL.
I think it might work. I just need some time to be able to sit down and try and put it together with some other ideas and see what it looks like. I think maybe the thing that, in the end, caused his chip to to take on a life of its own will be a "virus" of some kind. The chip created a whole slew of memories, none of which are real and used them to cover its own agenda, whatever that may be. Heck, i even wondered what the deal would be if in the end Charlie Roarke found out that he wasn't even real, that he is a clone .
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#6 01-28-2010 11:55:40
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Okay, but check out Johnny 2.0 and The Island first before you go the 'don't know he's a clone' route. You might get some inspiration from these two. I would add Virtuosity to the clone thing, but the film and plot were so bad, I don't think there's any worry there. The only thing it had going for it was the two main stars, Russell Crowe (definitely a character even by the time I met him) and Denzel Washington.
Also for the 'computer virus in your bio-chip' aspect, check out Johnny Mnemonic (a Keanu Reeves film). There's also the wonderful 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep' [i.e. Bladerunner] for a bio-chip termination idea. (Of course, Logan's Run also used that concept.) I had the privilege of being on the set for Bladerunner. That was fun.
In a slightly related way, I suppose I, Robot can join in your research.
Wow, such a sci-fi movie geek here!
So many movies and books, so little time. ![]()
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P.S. Charlie Roarke is also an actor. The last movie I recall he was in was A History of Violence (that Viggo Mortenson movie disaster).
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#7 01-28-2010 12:09:45
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thanks again, Kydd, lots of good stuff for me to research. I saw Johnny Mnemonic when it first came out and can't remember a damn thing about it. Blade Runner is, of course, one of my all time favorites and i heard of the Island but forget what its about and Virtuosity is all new to me. Some good hours of movie watching coming up for me, hehehehehe
thanks again .....
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#8 01-29-2010 21:53:32
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Perhaps Mr. Roarke is outfitted with Bionics and is, in fact, controlled by a computer implant. Mr. Roarke isn't alone. He is one of a special group of mercernary type soldiers that are hired out by a new tech-mercernary outfit like Blackwater. Roarke is controlled by the computer, it creates his memories as he sleeps and those memories are what has kept him under wraps. Maybe he lives in an undergound hive with the others and when he is there he is kept in a childlike state, much like the Dollhouse actives, and as this opens something has happened and Roarke becomes "aware" after committing a murder. He then tries to go back to the things his memories have told them only to find they don't exist and now not only does he struggle to find out who he is, he struggles to find out what he is.
Whatcha think?
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#9 01-30-2010 00:06:38
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Definitely, definitely watch the Island and Universal Soldier before you go too far into this. The concept is wonderful and proven successfull in the past, but you need to be careful not to rehash things that have already been done.
The Island has clones who are kept in an hidden underground facility. They are childlike and ignorant of what they are and what they are used for.
Universal soldier is a part of a special technology mercenary army, if I remember right. It's been a long time since I saw it. I think it starred Kurt Russell, but I can't really remember much of the details of the plot except that he has to relearn his humanity element.
I like it, you'll just have to make sure you twist it enough not to be a copy of the others. It can be done, but it also means you have to research first and watch the others to see how you can put your own spin on that storyline. I haven't seen Dollhouse, but I think you have a good storyline ready to go as long as you can keep the elements fairly unique.
I'm almost thinking you might be able to really go beyond the others if you use the everyman concept, just some common schmo in the suburbs out there, among a bunch of sleeper units like himself. He's an everyday guy, rather than a military man. This would make what happens to him even more tragic and thriller-like since he won't necessarily have the training to do some of the things the computer is trying to make him do. This would put a more identifying element in play with your audience/reader. If your man was more like your average reader, you'll be able to play a bit with your dialogue and your action scenes.
Remember too that military sci-fi is going to limit your reader base even more, but that's totally up to you and what you want to do with your work. If you're looking at marketing it to a gaming audience, the military aspect won't matter. One thing to keep in mind before you get down to the project, something I learned from my years doing scripts, is that you have to determine your demographic first before you even go into it.
Just some late night thoughts to throw out to you. Take them or leave them with a grain of salt. ![]()
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#10 01-30-2010 05:47:55
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Re: Bionics, Sci-Fi?
Kydd, great thoughts and helpful hints again. One thing for sure, i will be doing watch of research with these movies. Universal Soldier was the Van Damne vehicle, Kurt Russell was just Soldier, two different movies, but 2 that i can watch again for my large research project. The everyman concept is definiteely the way to go because of the audience that i can try and capture. I think an ordinary guy, maybe someone who was a reporter. He will think, of course, he is something else as the computer has control of his memories but his sense of curiosity and the way he tackles the problem will lead him to realize what he really is and maybe the whole thing that got him turned into what he is startedm out as a story he was working on. SO he actually became the story and now he needs to see how his story ends.
Just more thoughts and thanks for keeping up on this and throwing out great research ideas for me. I appreciate it.
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#11 01-30-2010 09:12:52
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In the movie Terminator: Salvation there is a character who was plucked off death row and bionically/cybernetically enhanced, yet he did not realise it. I thought it was an interesting concept.
Not sure if this is what you are looking for but it is a movie that sprang to my mind while reading this thread.
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#12 01-30-2010 12:07:34
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Hey Preacher, yep, I really like your new idea better! I think that has real possibilities!!!
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#13 01-30-2010 12:13:35
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Thanks, kosmos. Definitely another good example.
And thanks for the movie catch, Preacher. I knew there was some sci-fi soldier show I watched that had Kurt saving the target in the end. I just couldn't remember.
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#14 01-31-2010 19:41:27
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Re: Bionics, Sci-Fi?
Im thinking about the event that i need to spark this investigation and voyage of self discovery -could it be a murder? Maybe he snaps to life after killing someone? Or a little different -he watches the news and hears a story about a murder and has an item or a memory that lets him think he was there and as he goes to investigate a witness recoginzes him and calls the cops, causing him to go on the run and it turnss out that the person the computer had him kill happened to be the same person he, as a reporter, was going to do a story on?
How does that sound?
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#15 01-31-2010 20:00:49
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I think you have a good idea going. What I would suggest is building up to it a bit slower. Let us get into his world, get to know the people he interacts with. Make him look like a normal guy just doing his job. Maybe use the first couple of chapters to build up to the chase. Let us feel for what he's lost, already know some of the characters that he'll encounter so you can focus on the actions and interactions and not the get-to-know-you descriptions.
That's only my suggestion. You can take it or leave it, Preacher. It's your story. ![]()
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#16 02-01-2010 13:42:08
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I agree with you suggestion a whole 110%. I can inhabit his world, show things about who he is and the build to the major stresser. I got to be such a slave to the notion that the first few sentences should be that initial bang that i sometimes forget there are other ways to do things, other way of building and ratcheting tension and then come down the middle with the heavy fastball.
thanks again, i need to brainstorm on this some and see what comes out of the hopper.
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