#1 01-15-2010 18:51:20
- Sharlow
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Hi everyone. I don't know if any of you remember me, but I thought I'd let you in on a little secret thats not a secret. Kindle publishing. For any of you considering self publishing I suggest you go this route. For one thing it's free. You get to put your book on the largest book store in the world for free. You set the price of the book and you get 35% of the royalty. It's a great deal, and now with the Kindle being the number one seller on amazon there are millions of kindle readers out there.
i just recently put out my book Story tellers up for sale there on the 18th of December, and with out much more then going to the kindle boards, I've already sold 13 of my books. Not many I know, but think about the fact that I'm an unknown author, and these people don't even know me. Another author there let me know that he sold 22,000 copy's of his books last year. If he sold them for $1.99 each, he made 0.70 each on them. Thats, $15,400. Pretty good for an unknown. A lot of advances these days are in the $5,000-$15,000 range and usually take two years to publish, and then the book has to make back the advance before you see any royalty thats only usually 8%. Oh and don't forget the 15% the agent is taking from that advance.
Anyways heres a link you may like to read from a published author on kindle. i don't know him , but it is an interesting read. Good luck everyone and good writing.
http://jakonrath.blogspot.com/2009/06/a … mbers.html
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#2 01-15-2010 22:44:13
- C Lee Brown
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Re: Kindle
HiSharlow,
I'm goimg with Booksurge (recently changed to CreateSpace) and their
contracts usually include several versions of your work:
Paperback, Hard Cover and Kindle
Plus they post it on Amazon as well.
That's where I'm doing Cable Hornman: The Bard Begins and also where
I plan to do the publication of the 'Visitor to Sandahl' short story anthology.
Lee
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#3 01-16-2010 05:07:15
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Oy--I feel like a dinosaur hemmed in, slowly fading into extinction, my world of paper pages, my sustenance, shrinking and shrinking under the onslaught of digital bits, bytes, zeros and ones, until my kind is no more. Thunk! I drop at last, cooling body buried slowly under layer upon layer of gibbering cyber text, hyper links, streaming media. No longer old and in the way, now ossified, my writing bones dug-up, displayed as an object of curiosity for public wonder--Oy. ![]()
Hey youngsters! What happens if the electricity fails, huh, huh? Answer yourselves that one, you, you, chipmunks!
What do you call half a byte...a nibble! Ha! ![]()
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#4 01-16-2010 08:23:56
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I'm with the Irish guy. I want to smell the paper, feel the binding. Nothing can replace a real book printed on good paper (not newsprint) and I buy them myself, give them to others, drop them at the library and Salvation Army or at the used book store. Once I actually was paid 75. for a book on vegetable gardening that resold for 150. You can't get a rare edition of a kindle. I own a rare edition of Chaucer once owned by the Liddell family (Alice in Wonderland) and signed by her uncle. Cyberspace can't do that. I sold a signed Seamus Heaney this summer for 50. It wasn't easy to part with.
Nadine
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#5 01-16-2010 15:04:17
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brosna11 wrote:
Nothing can replace a real book printed on good paper (not newsprint) and I buy them myself, give them to others, drop them at the library and Salvation Army or at the used book store.
Nadine
Old fogeys, unite!
I fear we are counted amongst the likes of King Canute The Great - though in truth, he was only making a point, as are we ![]()
Sigh...
BTW, Kindle doth not allow sharing.
". . . I have spread my dreams beneath your feet;
tread softly because you tread on my dreams . . . ." - W.B. Yeats
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#6 01-16-2010 16:27:16
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I have nothing against electronics but paper's been around since Egypt first made it. I make myself some occasionally. Paper isn't going away. You're right about sharing. Kindle's are solitary. Imagine having a handwritten copy of Moby Dick or the Gettysburg Address? The University of Buffalo owns the crayon scrawls of James Joyce (Finnegan's Wake) and keeps them in a special library.
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#7 01-17-2010 07:34:57
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Hi Sharlow and C. Lee Brown!
Just take us old fogeys down here at the bottom of the thread with a grain of salt. Thanks for the info about electronic publishing, which I do, indeed, find useful and may even attempt. What the heck! BTW, I should have said thank you before starting my blithering. Toungue-in-cheek as it was, there is an some element of truth in humor.
Nadine, of course, is a truth teller and never blithers but pounds the reader with opinions backed up with factual observations. That's why I love her.
Write well and prosper,
Bob (R A Keen)
". . . I have spread my dreams beneath your feet;
tread softly because you tread on my dreams . . . ." - W.B. Yeats
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#8 01-17-2010 10:52:50
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Love you too. I am indeed a woman of many opinions. I'm saving my crayon scrawls in case a library needs them. Computers crash, paper doesn't.
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#9 01-17-2010 16:57:30
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Brosna and R A Keen hope you both keep wanting to feel the pages.
It's us old classical readers that sell books.
Most of my reading material is in Hard Cover on shelves in my den. In fact
all I have to do is lift my head to see Isaac Asimov, Clive Barker, Terry Brooks,
Tom Clancy, Stephen R Donaldson, J K Rowling, Terry Pratchett, Robt Heinlein,
Stephen King and more and that's just the shelves on this side of the window.
(Low end of the alphabet)
Hope you pick up a hard cover or at least a paperback of mine when it comes out.
Lee
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#10 01-18-2010 16:07:18
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C Lee Brown wrote:
...all I have to do is lift my head to see Isaac Asimov, Clive Barker, Terry Brooks, Tom Clancy, Stephen R Donaldson, J K Rowling, Terry Pratchett, Robt Heinlein, Stephen King and more and that's just the shelves on this side of the window...
Hope you pick up a hard cover or at least a paperback of mine when it comes out.
Lee
All my favoritist authors, too!
Of course, I'll buy your hardcover.
BTW, just saw Avatar...it's a whole new ballgame out there, pookie. Plot was fine for what it was but the graphics with 3D, oh baby. We are a wee step away from re-animating long gone actors like Humphrey Bogart, Marilyn Monroe, etc. What a headache of estates vs. film producers this will open. Forget a can of worms, more like dragons--the lawyers are salivating as I type.
Bob
". . . I have spread my dreams beneath your feet;
tread softly because you tread on my dreams . . . ." - W.B. Yeats
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#11 01-18-2010 18:48:52
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Hi all,
We published a Kindle version of My Writing Life. I'm going to put together a case study on what the experience was like. I hope to have it done in the next week or two.
Sol
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#12 01-19-2010 10:04:16
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Cool and helpful. Thanks.
". . . I have spread my dreams beneath your feet;
tread softly because you tread on my dreams . . . ." - W.B. Yeats
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#13 07-30-2010 16:24:52
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Anyone,
Does poetry sell well on Kindle? One at a time or as a complete set of works?
Hi SolN,
Did you ever put together the case study on Kindle?
Sharlow & C Lee Brown,
How well is the Kindle experience going?
Love Ya, Spargo Postle.
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#14 07-30-2010 23:42:16
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Re: Kindle
Spargo Postle wrote:
Anyone,
Does poetry sell well on Kindle? One at a time or as a complete set of works?
Hi SolN,
Did you ever put together the case study on Kindle?
Sharlow & C Lee Brown,
How well is the Kindle experience going?
Love Ya, Spargo Postle.
Doing good. For me it started slow. Mostly because it's a learning curve. Also, my first book wasn't the greatest.
Now thing are picking up. I have three books out and hopefully will a fourth out shortly. In my opinion, each book has been better then the last.
A friend of mine who published her three novels says she just hit the 10k in sales this month. She only published last April, so she is doing really good.
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#15 07-31-2010 02:53:32
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Dear Sharlow,
Many thanks for the reply, most appreciated. I need to get myself more organised and better researched. If it's not too much trouble could I have the names of your books and the name you write under; for research and to brag to people that I have had a forum converstaion with someone with three published pieces of work.
Will speak again I have no doubt.
Love Ya, Spargo Postle.
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#16 07-31-2010 09:17:07
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R A Keen wrote:
brosna11 wrote:
Nothing can replace a real book printed on good paper (not newsprint) and I buy them myself, give them to others, drop them at the library and Salvation Army or at the used book store.
NadineOld fogeys, unite!
I fear we are counted amongst the likes of King Canute The Great - though in truth, he was only making a point, as are we
Sigh...
BTW, Kindle doth not allow sharing.
I'll be in your club. I like the feel of a real book.
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#17 02-05-2011 14:48:19
- Sharlow
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Spargo Postle wrote:
Dear Sharlow,
Many thanks for the reply, most appreciated. I need to get myself more organised and better researched. If it's not too much trouble could I have the names of your books and the name you write under; for research and to brag to people that I have had a forum converstaion with someone with three published pieces of work.
Will speak again I have no doubt.
Love Ya, Spargo Postle.
Your welcome! I haven't been to TNBW in awhile, so sorry for taking so long to reply. Things are going quite well at the moment. My first year of learning and playing with prices is now over and I feel I've learned a few things. I have 5 books out now, and last year I sold 500 books. Not massive, but hey not bad. This year I decided to change my strategy around a bit and see what happens.
Well it's only been a month and were into the second month and my results are fantastic. January I sold 392 books. Almost doubling my sales and all but matching all of last years sales, in one month. Mostly it was just a price thing. This month is looking better then the last month, as one of my books has been consistently on the front page of the bestseller page for my genre on Amazon. As such in the last 4 day's I've 143 books this month. Looks as if I'm going to beat last months sales at this rate.
So yeah, things are looking up. Oh in the last post you were responding to, I mentioned a friend, mostly a forum friend that I talk with. She had 10k sales I mentioned. Well here's a link to a news story on her today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qWOy4p4MvM Amanda is like our poster child for self publishing. H.P. Malory just got a deal with Random house thanks to her Indy sales. She got a 6 figure advance and three book deal. Her Indy sales were 25,000 in Dec. and 35,000 in Jan.
Things are looking good in the Indy world these day's. I hope everyone is doing well here.
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#18 02-06-2011 08:28:47
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Dear Sharlow,
Many thanks for getting back to answer me. I have also published but only sold about 1% of you 2010 figure...!!! Starting to recognise that pricing and marketing is not only important but something of a skill that is important to get right. Therefore am doing plenty of research before going too far.
Poetry seems to download when free but not many prepared to pay too much, but then I think I have almost zero marketing and I have to calibrate the price to what is acceptable... Lots to learn, but having a huge amount of fun.
Glad to hear you are doing so well at the beginning of this year.
Love Ya, Spargo Postle.
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#19 05-30-2012 17:18:46
- Sharlow
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Spargo Postle wrote:
Dear Sharlow,
Many thanks for getting back to answer me. I have also published but only sold about 1% of you 2010 figure...!!! Starting to recognise that pricing and marketing is not only important but something of a skill that is important to get right. Therefore am doing plenty of research before going too far.
Poetry seems to download when free but not many prepared to pay too much, but then I think I have almost zero marketing and I have to calibrate the price to what is acceptable... Lots to learn, but having a huge amount of fun.
Glad to hear you are doing so well at the beginning of this year.
Love Ya, Spargo Postle.
Well it's been a year since that post and I hope your results have increased. Once again, my apology for being absent from these boards for so long. Marketing can be a pain, and to be honest I don't do much of it. I've tried the twitter/facebook route and seen no real upswing in sales from it. What I have found is that there awesome ways to stay in touch with your fans.
A few virtual book tours under my belt, and except for meeting new people it's a lot of work for no appreciable increase in sales. I think the slow grind of building a fan base that spreads your work by word of mouth is the best way to market your books. I think that's how it's been for me at least. Anyways I hope things are going well with you.
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