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#1 05-08-2009 20:59:52

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My Gioia

http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/library … read/29750

Gingerlynn, please let us know if there is any particular feedback you need from the reviews.
Thanks.


I shall pass this way only once, so if there be any kindness,
Let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.
Unswerving perseverance is the key to success.
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#2 05-17-2009 20:51:51

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Re: My Gioia

Hi wordsmith,
so sorry, I just read this now!
Whatever you think...many have told me that the POV switches are dizzying LOL, but I can't figure out how to write it without Karl's POV.  I just sent part of it to the shredder....thank you so much for your great review wordsmith!!!
Again, I apologize for getting back to you so late.  Thank you kindly smile

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#3 05-18-2009 11:34:20

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Re: My Gioia

No problem.  smile


I shall pass this way only once, so if there be any kindness,
Let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.
Unswerving perseverance is the key to success.
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#4 06-10-2009 09:59:06

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Re: My Gioia

§    Opening  - Do the opening sentences/paragraph grab your attention?
Ch 1 -  Yes, those two sentences tell us a lot about Gioia's character, and made me want to find out more about her
Ch 2 -  yes
Ch 3 -  Great opening paragraph,  but the first sentence needs to be shortened.

§    Conflict – Can you identify what it is?
Ch 1 - Karl trying to get together with Gioia
Ch 2 - Negotiating the movie deal
Ch 3 -  not really conflict (which is fine), but they're getting to know each other


§    Plot – Is it believable?
yes, and Karl seems to be a typical Hollywood playboy who finds himself drawn to Gioia, and she to him

§    Setting – Is there a real sense of time and place?
Maybe describe the restarant décor and Karl's apartment a bit

§    Characterization – Are the characters believable or do they feel like cardboard cutouts.
characters are coming through even in these early chapters

§    Dialogue – Is it tight and does it help move the story along?  Did it need more/less?
good job on dialogue

§    Point of view – Is it consistent?
No.  For example, in Ch 1, this sentence changes from Karl's POV to Gioya's:
'His light brown eyes held her gaze and she sensed something sweet.' 
It also goes to  Gioia's while she talks to Nick and her cousin after Karl has walked off

It doesn't seem to be written in omniscient, so the POV shifts could easily be fixed by adding a line break between sections, usually by centering *** on an empty  line to show when the POV or scene is changing.  IF you're going for omniscient, then just ignore this, but tell me so I'll know when I'm reviewing.  smile

§    Show vs. Tell – Are scenes conveyed through the actions of the characters or through the author’s voice? 
mostly showing

§    Grammar & Spelling – Are there too many grammatical, punctuation and spelling errors.
no


§    Style/Tone – Is the writing easy to read?  Are word choices effective?  Is the tone preachy?
fun, not preachy

§    Prose – Is there any purple prose? no


§    Is there enough action? yes
§    Does the story move quickly?  yes
§    Is the tension level high? not yet, but that's fine at the beginning. 
§    Are the protagonists strong? yes
§    Is there a strong dramatic tone? not a lot, but it is building


§    What you liked most and what worked well
I think this is going to be a fun novel, with the Hollywood characters interacting with the Mob, and maybe a trip to Italy.

§    How do you think the story could be improved?
Just by the suggestions made above.  This story already has my attention. smile


You write to communicate to the hearts and minds of others what's burning inside you.  And we edit to let the fire show through the smoke.  ~Arthur Polotnik

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#5 06-11-2009 06:50:39

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Re: My Gioia

Hi Tina!
Wow, thanks so much for all this valuable feedback!!!
It's exactly what I've been looking for, as you know, Gioia is going thru some major re-writes!
I already got some help at the shredder with the beginning paragraphs (POV stuff, my biggest problem with the start of the story), and I love all of your thoughts.
Thanks again!!!!!!
PS - please let me know how to return the favor...not sure I'm the loop yet!!! But I wanna be!!!!

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#6 06-11-2009 13:38:39

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Re: My Gioia

Gingerlynn, I added you to the review schedule some time ago.  Please see the thread below.  Let me know if you have any questions.

http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/forum/v … 54&p=3


I shall pass this way only once, so if there be any kindness,
Let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.
Unswerving perseverance is the key to success.
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#7 06-11-2009 13:53:51

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Re: My Gioia

Hi wordsmith,
Thanks for including  me!  Can you be a little more specific as to how this actually works?  I got the review schedule (thank you), now where do I start reading??? And which circle am I in???  I don't mean to sound ignorant, just want to get this right once and for all!  You've all been so wonderful here and I want to catch up!!!!

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#8 06-11-2009 16:31:01

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Re: My Gioia

Ginger, you're in Circle 1. 

I lifted the bit below from the review schedule.  I suppose you could start there, but the chapters would make more sense if you went from the start.  Wouldn't pressure you to do indepth reviews for the chapters that have gone before.

Apart from the chapter reviews, we do a detailed review for each person in our Circle.  The format is here == >   
http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/forum/v … hp?id=7632

We also do chapter reviews for the guys in circle two, but circle one has been really slow, so we get to play catch up.  You'll find we always run a bit behind, but we get there eventually.   Though we'd like to move faster, life and its commitments get in the way.  smile  Shoot me any questions you may have.  Your detailed reviews from everybody else will be posted to this thread as Tina has done above.  Welcome and have fun!

June 8 - 14, 2009

linda lee – Who’s Your Paddy -Chapters 10-12
Cadfael – The Celibate Mouse -Chapters 19-21
Gingerlynn - My Gioia - (only one chapter posted)


I shall pass this way only once, so if there be any kindness,
Let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.
Unswerving perseverance is the key to success.
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#9 06-11-2009 16:52:00

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Re: My Gioia

Sounds great, I'm on it wordsmith!!!!
Thanks smile
PS - I'll let you know if I have any questions as I moved along LOL!

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#10 06-12-2009 07:36:41

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Re: My Gioia

mornin' wordsmith!
btw, I love all the new titles your getting on that other thread LOL!!
just so I understand completely, am I supposed to be reading and review the first three chapters of who's your paddy, and the celibate mouse (the titles you posted this week)???  Let me know exactly what i should be readin, as I'm very far behind.
I'm gonna try soooo hard to catch up, this group seems like fun!!!
Thank you!!!!

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#11 06-12-2009 09:43:55

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Re: My Gioia

It's gonna be hard for you to read and do 3 chapter batch reviews and get caught up.  If the ladies don't mind, I'd suggest you just read the chapters and get caught up.  We're not so far into Who's Your Paddy yet, so maybe you could do the 3 chapter overall reviews if you have time.

For Celibate Mouse, I'd definitely suggest you just read the chapters and give comments.  We're way into that one as you can see. 

So...enjoy your reading. smile

On the other thread, yeah, there are some great suggestions in there.


I shall pass this way only once, so if there be any kindness,
Let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.
Unswerving perseverance is the key to success.
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#12 06-28-2009 19:52:49

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Re: My Gioia

§    Opening  - Do the opening sentences/paragraph grab your attention?
Ch 1- yes
Ch 2- yes
Ch 3-  yes

§    Conflict – Can you identify what it is?
Ch 1- a past love triangle between Gioia, Gabriella, and Lorenzo
Ch 2- Gioia breaking her date to got to Italy, and dealing with her ex
Ch 3- Gioia ending her relationship with Nick and starting a new one with Karl


§    Plot – Is it believable?
yes


§    Setting – Is there a real sense of time and place?
yes, clear brief descriptions give a good feel for the scenery

§    Characterization – Are the characters believable or do they feel like cardboard cutouts.
Good job of bringing the characters out.  Sislia excitedly yelling as she talks is something my daughters and niece all did when they were that age.  smile


§    Dialogue – Is it tight and does it help move the story along?  Did it need more/less?
good dialogue


§    Point of view – Is it consistent?
I found two POV slips in Ch 5 and noted them on the chapter review.


§    Show vs. Tell – Are scenes conveyed through the actions of the characters or through the author’s voice? 
mostly showing

§    Grammar & Spelling – Are there too many grammatical, punctuation and spelling errors.
no


§    Style/Tone – Is the writing easy to read?  Are word choices effective?  Is the tone preachy?
easy read

§    Prose – Is there any purple prose? no


§    Is there enough action? yes
§    Does the story move quickly?  average speed
§    Is the tension level high?  not yet, but it needs to build so that's fine
§    Are the protagonists strong? yes
§    Is there a strong dramatic tone?  small bursts of drama, but again, that's appropriate at this stage of the story because we get a good sense of the plot elements

§    What you liked most and what worked well
Gioia is a free spirit and it works well.   I like her.  And Nick.  Okay, I'm sort of routing for the bad boy gangster to maybe get back together with Gioia.  smile  But I'm sure I'll learn to like Karl, too.  smile


§    How do you think the story could be improved?
Maybe you could give Gioia's reasons for breaking it off with Nick.  He seems like a great guy (other than being a mobster) and they seem to love and respect each other.


You write to communicate to the hearts and minds of others what's burning inside you.  And we edit to let the fire show through the smoke.  ~Arthur Polotnik

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#13 06-30-2009 19:28:33

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Re: My Gioia

Hey Tina!!!!
Thanks for the great advice, love all of it...especially that you're routing for Nick LOL!!!!
But we'll see!  I'm trying hard to catch up with you all, and promise to be there soon.
Thank you again for your time and thoughts, it's appreciated more than you know smile

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#14 07-08-2009 17:45:13

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Gingerlynn, also trying to catch up.  Getting to you soon!


I shall pass this way only once, so if there be any kindness,
Let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.
Unswerving perseverance is the key to success.
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#15 07-09-2009 15:28:14

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Re: My Gioia

Wordsmith, thanks but you really don't have to...I'm way too far behind LOL!!

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#16 07-09-2009 18:53:07

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Re: My Gioia

ginger- just saw your rating of my review!  I'm not good with writing sex scenes either.  In fact, in my 26 chapter romance novel, Twenty-Five, there's not a single one!  so I guess people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

Rachel


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#17 07-09-2009 20:32:08

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Re: My Gioia

Check out these links.  See if any of them help.

Twenty Steps to Writing Great Love Scenes - http://www.writing-world.com/romance/love.shtml

How to Write a Great Sex Scene  http://writingfiction.suite101.com/arti … _sex_scene

How to Write Hot Love Scenes in Romance Novels http://www.ehow.com/how_4601651_hot-lov … ovels.html

If all else fails, what about recreating a really hot love scene from your own life and/or fantasy?

Where are these love scenes? If you post a link, I'll take a look and see if I can help at all.


I shall pass this way only once, so if there be any kindness,
Let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.
Unswerving perseverance is the key to success.
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#18 07-09-2009 21:06:11

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Re: My Gioia

Wordsmith-

Thanks for the links, I'll check them out.  The only sex scenes I've attempted are in my other two books, David and Adrian, chapter 5 and 16, and Thirty-Four chapter 1.  I have two ALMOST sex scenes in Twenty-Five.  Chapter 5 and 15.  The chapters I was talking about for Ginger were chapter 3 and 4.

If you get a chance I'd love feedback.

Wordsmith wrote:

If all else fails, what about recreating a really hot love scene from your own life and/or fantasy?

I can't really do this because I don't have any hot love scenes from my own life...

Thanks for your help!

Rachel


"The person, be it gentleman or lady, who has not pleasure in a good novel, must be intolerably stupid."
~Jane Austen

The Maidening Ceremony: http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/library … /toc/63927

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#19 07-10-2009 05:09:07

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I'll have a look-see at the chapters listed over the next couple of days.


I shall pass this way only once, so if there be any kindness,
Let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.
Unswerving perseverance is the key to success.
http://joylcampbell.com * http://thecharacterdepot.blogspot.com

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#20 07-10-2009 07:45:58

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Re: My Gioia

thanks!  I'll add your book to my reading list as well.  I've been meaning to get to everyone in circle 1 at some point, and i think you are my last one!


"The person, be it gentleman or lady, who has not pleasure in a good novel, must be intolerably stupid."
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#21 07-20-2009 21:47:50

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Re: My Gioia

Hey Gingerlynn,
I just looked back at the last review I did for you, and realized I labeled the chapter as 1-3 when they were actually for 4-6.  Sorry for being a dumbass!  smile 

§    Opening  - Do the opening sentences/paragraph grab your attention?
Ch 7 - yes, it instantly set the scene
Ch 8 -  yes, it shows Gioia's anxiety over the trip to Italy

§    Conflict – Can you identify what it is?
Ch 7 - Gabriella vs Lena over dinner, because Gabriella needs to leave the apartment she's been staying in
Ch 8 - Mainly Gioia's internal conflict, worrying about things

§    Plot – Is it believable?
yes, and a fun one at that


§    Setting – Is there a real sense of time and place?
yes


§    Characterization – Are the characters believable or do they feel like cardboard cutouts.
really nice characterization



§    Dialogue – Is it tight and does it help move the story along?  Did it need more/less?
The dialogue is smooth and natural and helps move the story along


§    Point of view – Is it consistent?
yes.  I didn't notice a single instant of head popping  smile


§    Show vs. Tell – Are scenes conveyed through the actions of the characters or through the author’s voice? 
mostly showing


§    Grammar & Spelling – Are there too many grammatical, punctuation and spelling errors.
no problems here


§    Style/Tone – Is the writing easy to read?  Are word choices effective?  Is the tone preachy?
this is an easy, fun read, not at all preachy


§    Prose – Is there any purple prose? no


§    Is there enough action?  yes
§    Does the story move quickly?   the pace is definitely picking up
§    Is the tension level high  it's getting higher
§    Are the protagonists strong?    yes
§    Is there a strong dramatic tone  yes, in Ch 7 there's a ton of drama  surrounding Gabriella

§    What you liked most and what worked well
The people in Italy have some sort of secret surrounding the uncle's apartment which is slowly unfolding.  Also, if my instinct is right about Gioia having a bun in the oven, I'm gonna have fun trying to figure out who her  Baby Daddy is.  smile
 


§    How do you think the story could be improved?
Everything is flowing smoothly in these two chapter, so I don't have anything I see that needs improving.


You write to communicate to the hearts and minds of others what's burning inside you.  And we edit to let the fire show through the smoke.  ~Arthur Polotnik

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#22 07-24-2009 05:43:43

Gingerlynn
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Re: My Gioia

Tina sweetie, thank you so very much for sticking with Gioia (she thanks you too!!!!)
You can't even begin to imagine how helpful your in dept reviews are to me smile
I have all your chapters printed, and some of the other ladies as well, so I plan on catching up real soon.
Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts and precious time with me, truly are the best!!!!
PS - hope you recieved my email, let me know if you didn't, please.

Last edited by Gingerlynn (07-24-2009 05:49:44)

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