#1 04-22-2008 21:12:12
- jediprincess
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School Age
My romance novel School Age can be found here:
http://www.thenextbigwriter.com/library … read/17083
Any comments will help. I would especially like to know if the first chapter works. I had another idea to start with Delia meeting the love interest in the first chapter and then having her relationship with her husband as a flashback.
Are my characters believeable? Do I need more description? I usually do. Is the chapter engaging? Do you connect with Delia.
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#2 04-23-2008 16:12:34
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Re: School Age
I definitely connect with Delia, not because I'm like her but I empathize with her. I want to shake her up. They're believable, but a little bit one-sided. The villain is all bad and Donna is too aggressive. Delia should exhibit some signs of adult behavior. Maybe she could handle the finances or apply her knowledge of physics to real-life situations. This chapter plunges the reader right into the main problem. No beating around the bush. I wrote a separate review. Just posted it. Nadine
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#3 04-23-2008 19:05:09
Re: School Age
Jedi, it wouldn't let me post to the author page, so here goes:-
§ Opening
It did pique my interest, but maybe you could have her pacing the living room or walking around touching things, instead of standing still, since she's nervous. I wanted to know the cause of Delia’s disturbance. The next sentence let me know the matter involved her husband, the other moves me forward to the sofa and then wham, the husband has been on it with someone else.
The paras. after that keeps the reader interested…who actually calls their husband to find out if he’s really coming home? Intriguing. And then you let us into a whole host of problems that culminate in him wanting to move his woman on the side into the house with the wife.
§ Conflict
The biggest conflict is at the end with the announcement, the fight between Donna Lee and her brother-in-law and Delia asking him to choose.
It builds up from the beginning with Delia questionint why she’s in the marriage, but based on the woman she is now – sort of wishy washy, too nice and too gullible - it feels like she’s overwhelmed by the thought of striking out on her own.
§ Plot – Is it believable?
To borrow a line from you…The whole situation was insane. I’d think this if I didn’t have a relative whose husband had another woman living on the same road as they do and subsequently had a child with the woman. It’s an infuriating situation, but sadly there are women who put up with so much, their men do just about anything, knowing there’ll be no repercussions.
§ Setting
I knew where they were, but the action/drama negated the need to know much about the apartment.
§ Characterization
I got good visuals of the characters.
Delia’s self-esteem problems are clearly demonstrated, yet at the same time she has some stick-to-it-iveness – she misguidedly believes she ought to stay and work on her marriage and that things will work out and yes she’s also a bright woman. She’s also very patient – so patient I want to kill her. Yet, her hopes that things will be better make her endearing. One of those women who don’t know when to give up.
Donna Lee is by far the strongest character in the chapter and enforces the fact that Delia allows herself to be railroaded by anyone who’s ready to ride over her. In this case of course, her sister has her good at heart. If your intention is to make Donna Lee look like a timid sheep, it works. But I suspect that you’ll take her on a journey of discovery, after which she’ll emerge a much strong character.
Jason, of course, is selfish and has no class - pretty much like your stereotypical playboy. He obviously knows that Delia will put up with anything and that’s exactly what he does. And he defends his actions when Donna Lee tries to make him admit that what he’s doing is disgusting. Then too, he’s a coward. When dimwitted Gina announces she’s moving in, he’s busy trying not to look at anyone.
§ Dialogue
I didn’t have a problem with the dialogue. It worked for me, except the following which could be rephrased to sound more natural eg…†I’m coming over and dragging you out…to drag you out…
§ Point of view – Is it consistent?
Yes. Though we saw what Donna Lee was doing, we got it through Delia’s eyes, along with everything else.
§ Show vs. Tell
Donna Lee stopped short when she entered the penthouse apartment and saw the situation. …sugg you describe it for example...Donna Lee paused, hands on her hips and eyes each of them in turn.
Gina said with a perplexed look on her face…here I think you could do this differently…maybe something like…Gina said, with a frown marring her brow.
Gina took a step back clearly intimidated by the petite Donna Lee…could work something like. Gina took a step back, gasped and put a hand to her chest…
Donna nodded numbly as she quietly left the loud bickering….sugg you don’t juxtapose quietly/loud. Show us…Donna nodded dumbly and with slow steps left…
Gina chewed on her thumbnail and tried to blend into the background…I like the sentence, but I want to see how she did this. Did she sidle away from group? Did she hunch in on herself?
§ Grammar & Spelling
No problems here.
§ Style/Tone
This read quickly. I liked the short sentences; they worked well. Some of is it humorous, thanks to Donna Lee. I found the ending a bit melodramatic and I don’t know if I’m twisted, but I thought it funny when Delia fainted. I thought her reaction – based on her character – was fitting.
§ Prose – Didn’t see any purple.
Give overall impressions of the chapter:-
§ What you liked most and what worked well.
Donna Lee made an excellent contrast to her sister and put a lot of life into the scene.
§ What you liked least or feel could have been done better.
Felt you could have showed more of the action.
§ Is there anything you would add/take out? N/A
§ How do you think the story could be improved?
You have the makings of quite a dramatic situation here already. You’ll hone it when editing.
§ What do you think is needed (if anything) to make the writing sparkle?
I liked how it was written and it held my attention all the way through. Think all it needs is more show/less tell to make it really, really good.
Suggestions in the nitpicking department:-
Sure, those lines sound(ed) stupid now, but they'd worked in the past.
"How about I not tolerate you disrespecting my sister anymore?" (sugg…it would be more natural sounding if she said…how about I don’t tolerate…
She hung up with her sister … think you could phrase this differently.
No, she thought, we need to talk first. (don’t italicize ‘she thought’)
Not that he had ever bestowed upon her the same courtesy. (Sounds more natural with …not that he had ever shown her…
She slipped on the nightie, dabbed [on some] (name of perfume – behind her ears/between her breasts/behind her knees (be specific here)) then dashed to the living room.
carrying a suitcase extremely similar (almost identical??) to the set Jason had
she enviously noticed the perfectly coiffed cherry colored hair of Gina. (sugg…noticed Gina’s perfectly coiffed cherry colored hair) (Would suggest you go with a specific name-brand color by one of those companies that make hair dye)
She wondered what her own hair would look like in that color[. She wondered if ] (and whether) Jason would love her if her hair were that color.
Under what circumstance should she have to say this to her husband, the man who vowed to love, honor, and cherish her until death? (Sugg rewording this sentence to something like…Delia could not imagine that a situation would ever arise where she would have to say this to her husband…
…As is, it’s not exactly clear what she means. I read it to mean that she shouldn’t have any possible scenario where she would need to say something like that.
…she ended up on the couch wrapped in a blank, (need something more specific here…not a good example, but all I can come up with is…feeling as though she was in a dense cloud of fog) listening to some ridiculous story
Donna gritted her teeth…stormed back into the living (need to add ‘room’).
I shall pass this way only once, so if there be any kindness,
Let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.
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#4 04-24-2008 09:02:20
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Re: School Age
§ Opening - Do the opening sentences/paragraph grab your attention?
Yes. I'm immediately appalled at the reference to the couch and pushed to read on. It's kinda like a sucker punch. You might want to describe in the next few paragraphs her nervousness more. I know if I'm nervous I can't sit still and have to occupy my hands. So making her pace, or fiddle with something might be more believable. Still, I am drawn in.
§ Conflict – Can you identify what it is?
Oh definitely! Good job on showing us exactly what's going on there.
§ Plot – Is it believable?
My only one nit here, is that it's all so insane. Even though it's obvious Jason is a jerk and self-centered, I can't imagine he'd bring a woman he was cheating with right into their own home to live there. I could see Delia catching them cheating together... Then again, maybe the insanity of this situation just showcases how cowed Delia really is and how much she'd accept. Though I think her putting up more of a fight before being talked into it seems more realistic.
§ Setting – Is there a real sense of time and place?
We know she's in an apartment and it's obviously modern. I don't think this really applies further than that yet, though. We're more interested in the characters.
§ Characterization – Are the characters believable or do they feel like cardboard cutouts.
I identify with Delia's inner battle. She is absolutely focused on Jason and her entire world revolves around him. It's a very sad testiment to her low self-esteem. I'm still left wanting her to more well-rounded though, thinking about something outside of Jason. Not necessarily something that has to happen in this first chapter though, because her entire focus here is on Jason getting home so she can either leave him or stay with him.
I think Donna Lee is believable. She's aggressive, but honestly, I know a LOT of women like that. It sounds like she's let Delia try to work this out for herself for a long time and basically can't stand to let her do it anymore. Her obvious love for Delia shows there. Though I can imagine her being a little less outright rude to Jason and being civil and polite with a sarcastic edge.
Jason is absolutely self-centered. He obviously realizes he has Delia cowed into believing and dong whatever he wants. It's almost as if he believes what he's doing isn't completely wrong. People are amazing for convincing themselves that way. His complete disregard for Delia though in bringing Gina there is just the slightest bit over believable. He must love her somewhat to have married her. Men love to sleep with women, granted, but no man is going to marry a woman just to sleep with her. Jason might have considered her a good catch to marry and have children with, while he finds other women to satisfy his sexual needs--it just seems more that he'd try to keep it from her to keep from hurting her.
§ Dialogue – Is it tight and does it help move the story along? Did it need more/less?
I don't think it needs less and I can't imagine it needing more.
§ Point of view – Is it consistent?
It starts from Delia's POV and continues that way, so I think yes.
§ Show vs. Tell – Are scenes conveyed through the actions of the characters or through the author’s voice?
At certain points, you tell us what the characters are doing versus showing us.
Here: Donna Lee stared at Jason with a glare that could've melted his face.
Donna Lee is obviously pissed. You could show her body language, have her pacing, folding her arms, maybe even jabbing her finger at Jason. Anything to show us just how mad she is.
This is the hardest thing for me to do. I'm working really hard to do more telling in my writing. I think the best thing to do would just be to comb through it and see if you find parts where it could be expanded, where we need more description to show us what the characters are feeling through their actions.
§ Grammar & Spelling – Are there too many grammatical, punctuation and spelling errors.
I didn't catch any glaring ones, but I'm not very good at this. I tend to get caught up in the story and look for the characterization and impressions--unless there's obvious spelling errors.
§ Style/Tone – Is the writing easy to read? Are word choices effective? Is the tone preachy?
The style is very easy to read and get into. I really think that tone you're going for (if I'm right!) is shown here. There's nothing preachy about it. You're just flat telling us what's going on.
§ Prose – Is there any purple prose?
Nope!
Give overall impressions of the chapter:-
§ What you liked most and what worked well.
I think you did a really excellent job on showcasing Delia's low self-esteem and why women stay with men who treat them like dirt. But not only did you show us, you also made us understand and feel for her.
§ What you liked least or feel could have been done better.
Again, I just feel the situation needs to be a little more believable.
§ Is there anything you would add/take out?
I'd just like to see more description on the characters actions, maybe more on Delia's thoughts.
§ How do you think the story could be improved?
I think this is kinda like the question above on what could be done better...
§ What do you think is needed (if anything) to make the writing sparkle?
The writing style itself works just fine, I think. I really think you just need to expand more on the characters actions and help us to really believe that Jason would bring a woman into his own home like that and force his wife to just accept it.
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#5 04-25-2008 15:05:52
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§ Opening - I liked the intro. I could tell immediately what was going on and I could identify with the character, even though I've never been in that position.
§ Conflict - There was definitely internal and extrenal conflict going on, and I think you conveyed them well.
§ Plot – Is it believable? - Yes. Mostly. Coming home with the girl is ballsy and beyond rude, especially after she caught him making out on the couch. Most guys hide their indescretion. This shows him as a major ass and just makes it hard to believe that Delia would have ever fallen for a guy like this. I think if you mention in a blurb some amazingly sweet things he once did for her, and show that he's shifted more and more into this guy, maybe have the boobs be their first anniversary present rather than wedding, it would make it easier for readers to believe in the relationship. Sometimes people just get screwed over and blindsided, and I think that's what you have to show here. Delia's hesitance AND her falling for this guy puts her in a bad light, you know what I'm saying? You want readers to identify with her and like her too. This scene makes her look totally dumb and she may lose symapthy points with some readers.
§ Setting - the setting was clear, and bits of information ground it in this time period, like the Queen Latifa makeup. That made me laugh.
§ Characterization - You did a great job with that. I love the contrast between Delia and Donna, and even Gina interjecting at the end.
§ Dialogue - It was all very good and believable. It flowed well.
§ Point of view – Is it consistent? - Yes. no head popping.
§ Show vs. Tell - There is quite a bit of telling in reference to the relationship, but it wasn't burdensome to the story.
§ Grammar & Spelling No problems here. - Pretty clean
§ Style/Tone - The style and tone were great. Even in a painful circumstance, you still insert some humor, which I like.
§ Prose – Well done
§ What you liked most and what worked well. - I like the dialogue most. I thought it worked well and moved the story forward.
§ Is there anything you would add/take out? - As mentioned above, I think you should give examples in a quick blurb of wonderfully sweet things her hubbie did for her, to show why she's so smitten, and that she misses that guy. He can be as jerky as you want now, but he needs to have possessed a good factor at some point, that he's departed from so readers can see why Delia fell for him and why she's conflicted now, why she'd faint.
§ How do you think the story could be improved? just what I've mentioned.
§ What do you think is needed (if anything) to make the writing sparkle? Maybe have more shown emotion from Delia at the beginning. I like the numbness she sinks into at the end. But I think the beginning could have more emotion. You can even put a bit more anger in the narrative to deepen that tone.
Overall, though, good start. Keep at it.
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#6 04-28-2008 09:52:09
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Re: School Age
Great Job, great hook throughout to make me want to read the whole book! ![]()
(I'm so sorry that I'm a day late in posting this, but I was away from the computer most of the weekend.)
§ Opening - Do the opening sentences/paragraph grab your attention?
Yes. It makes me want to see why she's so nervous, what's about to happen, and it lets us know that her husband is a cheat. I thought it was a great opener
§ Conflict – Can you identify what it is?
I think the biggest conflict in this chapter is Delia's internal conflict over deciding whether to stay with that SOB or find the courage to leave, and I think that was shown very well. I think most people can identify with this, as most people have had a cheating boyfriend or spouse at some time, and have struggled with the 'should I leave or should I go' question.
§ Plot – Is it believable?
Yes. I can definitely feel for Delia, when Jason brought home the other woman and just expected Delia to accept it. I found it to be believable, and very interesting (Though I’m SO happy that never happened to me!), and you really do hear about situations like this happening.
§ Setting – Is there a real sense of time and place?
Yes. You did a great job of working in the couch that she'd caught him cheating on the their usually unshared bed.
§ Characterization – Are the characters believable or do they feel like cardboard cutouts.
Great Characterization! I'm feeling for Delia, have a visual picture of her, and I want to go help Donna Lee drag her out of that house. Donna Lee is going to be a great supporting character, full of all the confidence that Delia lacks. Jason is an ass, pure and simple, though if he looks like Johnny Depp, he's a great looking SOB, which is probably one of the reasons Delia is smitten with him. ![]()
§ Dialogue – Is it tight and does it help move the story along? Did it need more/less?
Dialog had a smooth flow and worked nicely.
§ Point of view – Is it consistent?
Yes
§ Show vs. Tell – Are scenes conveyed through the actions of the characters or through the author’s voice?
No problem there, as I thought you used the perfect combination of both.
§ Grammar & Spelling – Are there too many grammatical, punctuation and spelling errors.
I only found 3 nits, and they were comma errors:
*She was a senior in college and had never even been on a date(,) being too busy trying to finish her math, computer science, and physics triple major.
** That morning Donna Lee came over and helped her pack her bags(,) trying to convince her to leave immediately.
*** you flat-chested, bird-brained[,] bitch
I think that last comma should be left out
§ Style/Tone – Is the writing easy to read? Are word choices effective? Is the tone preachy?
Easy to read, well-written prose
§ Prose – Is there any purple prose?
No
§ Is there enough action?
Yes
§ Does the story move quickly?
yes
§ Is the tension level high?
yes
§ Are the protagonists strong?
Yes
§ Is there a strong dramatic tone?
Yes
§ What you liked most and what worked well.
This is a fresh new twist on the cheating husband angle, which I liked. I loved the way you worked in the descriptions of the characters, and I'm so glad Delia has a sister to look out for her.
§ Is there anything you would add/take out?
No
§ How do you think the story could be improved?
I want to hear how Jason had planned to talk Delia into the threesome situation, but I'll bet you're going to have that in one of the next few chapters. I just bet that is going to be some speech!
§ What do you think is needed (if anything) to make the writing sparkle?
I think it sparkles pretty well right now. I'm looking forward to reading the rest!
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#7 04-28-2008 10:50:42
- jediprincess
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Re: School Age
So this is what I'm hearing...
*Delia is so pathetic everyone wants to throttle her. I agree, but that's just the way she is right now. I'll have a chat with her though and try to toughen her up.
And I like the idea of adding more of why she loves Jason to begin with. She has to have some sort of motivation for taking all this from him.
*Jason is an ass. Correct. He is terrible and later in the book we get more into his psychology. For this chapter I will let him explain himself a little more and justify his actions.
*Donna Lee's relationship to Delia is never explained. The reader doesn't know how they can be sisters but from different races. Later I'll go in to both of their adoption stories, but for this chapter I'll think I'll say 'adopted sister' at some point.
Those are the big things I've gathered. Anything else?
Thanks again for the help.
JediP
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#8 05-10-2008 08:55:37
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chapter two School Age
opening: first par: confusing, so delete the whole thing. Second Paragraph is better.
Donna is a good friend but overpowering. She should ask a few "feeling" questions before jumping in with her advice. Delia is depressed and needs better advice than "go on a cruise, etc."
conflict: can you identify what it is? Yes. Delia is depressed, in a post-break-up slump, has no confidence in herself and probably needs some vitamins. Her struggle to assert herself with others is a losing battle. Even her friend Donna doesn't encourage herself to assert herself. She suggests a quick fix, which won't really help Delia in the long run. Delia should be more angry, more frustrated than you let her be. Why not let her vary her reactions? What about her family? Does she have one? Any other friends giving contrary advice than Donna's? If you rev up the conflict, give Delia more options than just "go on a cruise, get a new boyfriend" there might be some hope she won't repeat all her past mistakes. If she was a friend of mine, I'd say, take some time off, be good to yourself, don't be so dependent on others.
Plot: is it believable? Ch. one starts off with a break-up, a show-down, so chapter two must be less intense. Delia seems like a loser at first, so she has to figure out how to change. She needs major changes so a lot of Delia POV thoughts about this should happen to carry the story forward. Does she want to change? Does she realize what mistakes she makes in relationships, particularly be allowing everyone to manipulate her? She's a player in this by letting others do it. (It's her choice, not just an accident.) Donna (IMO) isn't the best advisor for her. Donna believes in quick fixes. Author needs to help Delia find a better solution than a quick fix. She needs a wise person otherwise Delia will repeat her past mistakes. The story so far is believable because characters like this are hard to cure.
setting: could be better. Needs some natural surroundings, wildlife, flora, something we can see besides just the characters. Actually, I don't see the characters too clearly. While on the deck of the Golden Swan staring out into the sea enjoying the warm summer breeze drifting from the coast of Barbados, they don't notice the stars or lean over the rails to look at the sea? That's a good place to add some 'cosmos' details.
characterization: they are stagey rather than real people. Delia is too submissive, pitiful while Donna is the polar opposite. Chase seems like a playboy and I'd like her next guy to be more suitable for Delia, maybe even a counseling type. Someone capable of caring about her rather than just another user. If Delia doesn't undergo a drastic change, the story is going to keep repeating her mistakes until she's a rag doll in a heap on the floor.
dialogue: Donna does all the talking. Delia is a speechless mouse. � "You're eyes are beautiful," he blurted. (Your eyes) Now why would that be a good opener for Delia? Why 'blurted'? He sounds awkward. Delia's response to this overture is out of character. All of a sudden she's got some chutzpah. I wasn't prepared for that. His story about taking a cruise with grandma every year since he was eleven is surprising. How many guys can say that? So she has no biological family. That's another shocker. Did she fall from Heaven?
"Yeah, sure, do you want to do breakfast?" (this is a response to his question about seeing her again) She could have said something like, "I'd love to see you again" or "Sounds like fun, let's spend the day together." Her response here is so casual, so bored sounding. The kissing paragraph, where he kicks an invisible stone and asks for a kiss, needs some life injected into it. Surprise us. Let the scene show what the characters are all about. We know Delia is a wreck, but we don't know exactly what he is. This scene should show what their real feelings are.
POV: should focus primarily on Delia but doesn't. Wanders all over the place. His POV injects itself on an irregular basis. Stick to Delia's perspective. This isn't experimental fiction where the rules are suspended.
Show vs. tell: The kissing scene is tell. So is the door scene, where his heart nearly stops. That could be all dialogue. The long hand massaging scene is too much telling. The bottle caps scene is interesting because it shows how much he is drinking and what powers of concentration he has to keep balancing caps. I would keep that telling. She blended into non-existence (hyperbole?) and seemed like a crew member? Don't they wear uniforms?
The longer she moped the more she failed. This telling is obvious but makes me wonder why her roomies don't get her out in the fresh air.
grammar, spelling: I couldn't find any nits there except for 'you're'/ your.
Style,tone: It's casual, easy to read but doesn't satisfy because it avoids dealing with the real problems of the main character. I feel as though she's going to have a trainwreck.
purple prose: I didn't notice any.
Nadine
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#9 05-10-2008 15:35:05
- jediprincess
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Re: School Age
Thanks so much. I think I will definitely try to go through Delia's POV. I actually have a lot of POV shifts later and I'm going to have to fix this. I will try to tone down Donna Lee and make sure I show her softer side. And i definitely need to add some scenery and more descriptions. All great points. Thanks.
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#10 05-11-2008 12:38:46
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Re: School Age
Hi all,
I wasn't sure if I should've started a new thread or not. But I figured it would be easier to find all the reviews if I kept everything in the same thread. Anyway, for chapters 2-4, I really need to know what you think about the POV. This was my nano project and I really didn't get into technical things. I was just trying to get it written. So, I ended up changing POV a lot. Anyway, should I write the entire thing from Delia's POV or should I change POV's only at chapter breaks? I know romance novels are usually written from the woman's POV, but at several times I need to show what Chase is thinking.
Thanks in advance.
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#11 05-11-2008 12:52:07
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Re: School Age
I've heard of chapter POV changes and seen them myself (can't remember exactly but Ulysses comes to mind. Starts out Stephen, moves to Leopold, then various others.) So why not?
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#12 05-11-2008 18:20:55
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You can switch POV scene to scene or chapter to chapter, depending on how you want the story to unfold. In romances it's very common to have both the perspective of the heroine and the hero. And I like that your story presents both, as both perspectives are interesting and important. Maybe for those moments when you want to show what he's thinking, you can show his take after the fact. He can be kicking himself or whatever. Use that summary piece as a bridge. Or say they're eating dinner together, you can do part of it his perspective, part in hers. If you want to change POV's within a scene, at least provide a paragraph break between. I have seen many writers lump them together, which causes a great deal of confusion.
If you do want to show both POVs, set an early precedent: limited POV in scenes they don't share, joint POV in scenes they do, I think it can work. But have this be consistent every time, show some structure. That might be fun.
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#13 05-12-2008 12:49:02
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POV switches are considered confusing to most readers.
ch.3 School Age *Opening is romantic and makes Chase seem like a charmer.
*Plot: I don't feel that it moves forward in any significant way. They have physical contact, she wonders about her appearance, there's dancing and swimming but at the end, nothing important has happened.
*setting: not much description. I can't visualize any scenes.
*characterization: she wonders about her appearance, he sings and dances, yanks her bathrobe off in the water. I don't get any strong sense of what they're like except she's like a train wreck. What about her science background? That never comes up.
*Dialogue: Could be more revealing of the plot.
*POV: wanders, confusing.
*Show vs. Tell: Too much telling.
*Grammar/spelling: OK.
*Style, tone: could use more description, deeper character revelations, more tension between the characters. I don't feel I'm getting to know real characters.
*no purple prose. Nothing obscure or confusing.
I would recommend giving your main character some other features than her self-esteem problem and her neediness. Must be something she's strong in. Otherwise you've got a character with nowhere to go. Not clear yet how Chase would be good for her. Bring out her academic side sometimes, let her shine her light a little.
Good luck with it.
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§ Opening
Delia’s life took a completely new route…I’m thinking this is not strictly true. She doesn’t really ‘do’ anything. She is forced to go on a cruise and before that she’s lying around doing nothing.
The opening in the second chapter is lively with Donna Lee being disgusting and full of curiosity about Delia’s exploits.
The opening of chapter 4 reinforces for me his youthfulness (having read it before) and spontaneity – singing, dipping her as they dance, etc.
§ Conflict – Can you identify what it is? I think she has deep self-esteem problems that need sorting out, because she’s thinking about ‘finding the good in herself’. She’s also trying not to give in to her attraction for Chase. He also has some conflict. He doesn’t want a relationship, but he’s attracted to her.
§ Plot – It’s easy enough to believe that he’d prove a very attractive prospect on a boat filled with old people. Also, that he’d want to try to not get in too deep, considering he’s hiding something.
§ Setting – I think you could give a bit more visuals on the bar (Chap. 2) and on their general surroundings. Think you could do more here, for instance in chapter 4, is the pool indoors, if it’s outdoor, is it sunny, etc?
§ Characterization – As at Chapter 2, I still want to strangle Delia. She’s coming across as really cute and really dizzy right now. She acts out of character when she tells him she’s not wearing undies and then is embarrassed. That works for me, considering the type of person she is. Unfortunately, it’s all too possible to be mid to late twenties and not have a sense of self.
§ Dialogue – There isn’t any deep stuff in Chapter 2, but that’s expected. They’re feeing their way around each other so things are going to be awkward. Didn’t see any problems there.
Chapter 4 – the end of that conversation was funny with Delia trying to ignore the fact that Jason had been around a lot. Donna Lee browbeats Delia again as they talk about her marriage and sex life or lack of it.
§ Point of view – Is it consistent?
You had switches, but they were consistent within each section. I saw one instance that might have had a tiny shift, but it’s noted elsewhere.
§ Show vs. Tell – Some of the stuff is narrative, but I expect that. These are Delia’s thoughts and I wouldn’t expect her to tell him the more painful parts of her marriage – though she does tell him a lot.
§ Grammar & Spelling –
Chapter 2
~~~Donna Lee said one evening [as] (sugg.. after) she came home from work
~~~Delia couldn’t thing of a single relationship…ever had that last(ed) longer than two month(s)
~~~She covered her face to hide the tears that developed…suggest another work, other than developed here.
~~~She shouldn’t have to worry…sugg. wouldn’t
~~~He was the only other passenger that seemed…sugg who seemed
~~~Chase knew what he was nodding toward…sugg who
~~~ran his fingers through his short, curly hair…you’ve told us his hair is short already from Delia’s observations.
~~~He had to take a chance at some point with her. (Don’t think you need ‘with her’ since we’re already aware that he’s talking about her.)
~~~Then she laughed the most enchanting, delicate, feminine, beautiful laugh…think you could lose feminine – I assumed that.
~~~She took the picture out of his hand and studied it [more] closely
~~~And Chase was always hesitant about talking about himself (two abouts – is this he POV here?)
~~~he entwine his fingers in hers (sugg with)
Chapter 3
~~~To this day, she has no idea…You’ve slipped into the present tense here. I wouldn’t mind it if there were other scenes where we got into her thoughts, here it jars (for me, at least)
~~~She tossed her hair…and got prepared to hear the juicy details (sugg…prepared to hear)
~~~…even though there was a perfectly good fork…(sugg there was a fork since it’s a restaurant and we expect it to be perfectly good)
~~~After you have her thinking about changing jobs and you say…Maybe it would give her life some purpose and direction…Sugg. you have a transitional line in between that sentence and the one that starts…It didn’t take her long to find work.
~~~Four people…was getting to be a little much…think you could do this differently ...unbearable? too much to bear? Intolerable?
~~~That is something she would never….Sugg…That was something
Chapter 4
~~~Then someone sat at the piano and started adding accompaniment (think you could reword and leave out the started. It’s stronger to say they added to his singing)
~~~Delia’s situation got his mind off of his own selfish problems. (I know ‘off of’ might be accepted in speech, but it jars every time I see it written. ‘Off’ is sufficient in narrative.
~~~Delia was [completely] self-conscious of her body.
~~~Jason could take off his shirt and women would faint (not believable for me, but I suppose this is Delia speaking)
~~~I so embarrassed (I’m)
~~~He had to be discreet. He had to use discretion. (sugg using another word in one instance – discreet/discretion)
~~~They stumbled around the corridor – I thought this was funny, but it also implies that their actions were hot and heavy
~~~Donna Lee asked as she licked duck sauce…with a disgusting slurp sound (Think this could be left as ‘with a disgusting slurp’
§ Style/Tone – Didn’t have a difficulty reading at all.
§ Purple prose – No
For Romantic Suspense
§ Is there enough action? Don’t expect much at Chap 2 because, we still have two people feeling their way around each other.
§ Does the story move quickly? - Well things do happen quickly once she goes on the cruise. They find each other and make a date for the following morning.
§ Is the tension level high? – No, but that’s okay. I don’t expect a lot based on the story as it is now.
§ Are the protagonists strong? You know I still want to slap Delia and Chase comes across as kind of wishy-washy. He can’t decide whether he wants to pursue her or not and at the end of chapter 3 decides to throw caution to the wind.
His thoughts about not going forward with her are intriguing and I think you’ve written their exchanges well, since when he turns up in her class, it explains why he says awkward sounding things to her – afterall, he’s not a full-grown man.
§ Is there a strong dramatic tone? Not really. But I’m not sure it’s necessary. This does not seem like a page-turning grab-you-by-the-throat story, so I don’t expect high drama.
Give overall impressions of the chapter:-
§ What you liked most and what worked well. I hate tell you, but Donna Lee still overshadows Delia. I want to root for Delia, but her insecurity and holding on to thoughts of Jason make me want to strangle her, I understand that her thought patterns have been established for a long time, so it’s hard for her to think any other way
The awkward exchanges between Delia and Chase make them both endearing, but I also wonder if both of them know what they want. I also like that she’s admitting to herself that she likes what she sees of Chase. This is an indication that she’ll be ready to move on at some point.
§ What you liked least or feel could have been done better.
I think she could have been stronger. Coming out of a bad experience, it’s natural to be closed off from others, but then she goes all out with Chase. Also, shouldn’t she wonder why he’s not telling her anything about himself?
I think you’ve done a great job capturing Chase’s personality. When I meet him again, it’s not a surprise that he’s a student. In his rave raving about an older time and place, I feel the enthusiasm of a youngster.
§ How do you think the story could be improved?
I don’t want to beat you over the head with it, but I’m not connecting with Delia. I don’t feel involved enough with her or that I care what happens to her. I just want to slap her.
I’m wondering if Jason’s cheating had come as a revelation to her whether I’d feel any differently about her. But she puts up with that and I’ve got the mindset that she’s allowed herself to become a floor mat for a long time and who respects a floor mat?
I do know she’s trying to move forward and that she’s thinking of teaching…At the end of chapter 4 you write…Delia took a deep breath and decided that it was all behind her. She was starting her new life.
I realize I’m being hard on Delia, but this is how I feel about her. If you wrote a story about Donna Lee and had Delia's problem on the periphery of it, her charater wouldn't bug me so much. At centre stage, she's not as compelling. Hope I've helped in some way, other than to gripe at Delia. ![]()
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#15 05-16-2008 11:50:45
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Thanks, Joy. Very helpful. I definitely want a main character that people can connect with. I'll work on making her more endearing.
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#16 05-16-2008 20:19:33
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Chapter four School Age:
opening is realistic, surprising with Donna's bad table manners. Kind of funny, actually.
Conflict is great--Delia tries to straighten Donna out and then she makes some career progress. She's working on herself. That's good. I'm relieved.
Plot so far is believable, even hopeful. I don't know where it's going but at least it's moving ahead.
Setting could use a bit more description. You describe the characters, but not much about the environment so I have trouble seeing it in my mind. Any mirrors on the wall? Plants or animals around? Rugs? Windows? When she applies for the job, you skip over all the details of that (getting references, sending in the paperwork, having an interview) so we get no sense of what goes on in that area. it's a technicality, but one of those things where you can reveal more about Delia's hidden assets (her intelligence).
Characterization: More development wouldn't hurt. We now see Donna as rather rude while eating, besides being bossy. Delia is coming out a bit, being more adult, accepting her fate. I don't feel like slapping her at all. I might want to shake her up a little though.
Dialogue is OK. Some of it is actually funny and you could do more of that. I like them to mock each other. It seems sisterly.
POV seemed fine to me.
There's some telling when showing would be better, as when she applies for teaching. That is over fast.
Style, tone is light and fun. Nothing tedious or unlikely.
Spelling, grammar seems good to me.
No purple prose.
I'm not sure what the theme of this is. It would be good if you had a strong theme of some sort. (Woman deals with low self-esteem in spite of difficulties?)
It's oddly comical in this chapter, which it wasn't in the earlier ones. Is this on purpose or did it just come out that way?
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#17 05-16-2008 20:54:09
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I'm really getting into this novel! About the POV question, I think switching between characters during chapters is just fine so long as it is well indicated, usually by '#' type seperators.
As far as POV goes, you see it all different ways in published works: some use the POV of the main character throughout, though that is usually in first person; some authors will only shift POV from chapter to chapter; but actually, I think most of the novels I read have POV switches at least once during each chapter (most romances and Stephen King novels, for example). Harliquin Romances (Okay, not the best works of literature, but I'm making a point
) go overboard with the switches, showing the 60% from the leading lady's POV and 40% from the leading man's; a lot of those paperbacks will switch back and forth during the same scene to show both points of view, which I find to be a bit redundant.
§ Opening - Do the opening sentences/paragraph grab your attention?
Ch 2 - Yes
Ch 3 - Yes
Ch 4 - yes
§ Conflict – Can you identify what it is?
Yes, mostly internal. In Ch 2 and 3, Delia and Chase are both struggling with whether or not to take their relationship to the next level. In Ch 4, Delia's struggling with getting her life back on track.
§ Plot – Is it believable?
Yes
§ Setting – Is there a real sense of time and place?
Yes
§ Characterization – Are the characters believable or do they feel like cardboard cutouts.
I always LOVE your characters, each with a definite personality. Delia, Donna Lee (I love her spunkiness), Chase, and Felicia are coming to life.
§ Dialogue – Is it tight and does it help move the story along? Did it need more/less?
Great flowing dialog, and the perfect amount of it.
§ Point of view – Is it consistent?
CH 2 & 3 - Yes. Changes in POV were smooth and indicated by separators. You switched POV just enough to give us a good peek into both of their romantic little heads ![]()
CH 4 - There are some POV issues in the first section, as it shows what both Delia and Donna Lee are thinking.
§ Show vs. Tell – Are scenes conveyed through the actions of the characters or through the author’s voice?
No problem there
§ Grammar & Spelling – Are there too many grammatical, punctuation and spelling errors.
very few, which I posted on the chapter pages
§ Style/Tone – Is the writing easy to read? Are word choices effective? Is the tone preachy?
Easy and fun to read, not preachy
§ Prose – Is there any purple prose?
no
§ Is there enough action?
Yes
§ Does the story move quickly?
Yes, I think you have this paced just right.
§ Is the tension level high?
Yes
§ Are the protagonists strong?
Yes
§ Is there a strong dramatic tone?
Yes. Mainly with the newly developing romance, but also with Delia's desire to learn more about her biological parents.
§ What you liked most and what worked well.
The courtship between Delia and Chase
§ What you liked least or feel could have been done better.
I have no complaints! ![]()
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#18 05-17-2008 07:05:38
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Whether you should introduce the family history earlier:
It wouldn't hurt. Since it sheds some light on her poor self-concept, feeling like a baby in a dumpster, it gains her some empathy from the reader. Otherwise, we just wonder what's her problem. We all wonder when we read stories in the newspaper about babies found in dumpsters the first few days of life (never mind 4 months) and what could possibly become of them after such an event. Here's a case history and the more you bring it up, even if it's only Donna saying "Just because you came from a dumpster..." Her origins sort of define her. Take Dickens' characters, most of them orphans, who go through one awful experience after another but eventually come out alright.
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#19 05-17-2008 12:41:57
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Hi Jedi
For POV, I really think you should go scene by scene rather than lumping them together. It’s just creating too much distance between characters and readers. You’re not portraying Delia as very likeable or relatable either. She’s someone to pity and that’s not what you want in a heroine. She needs to have flaws yes, but strength too. She overridden by flaws. She lets people slap her around and continues to put up with it. She also changes from self conscious to panty-free too quickly. That needs some build up to be believe able. When I said it was laughable, I didn’t mean it was funny in the humorous sense. I just didn’t buy that she’d switch gears that fast. You need to show their connection, the heat between them, which you’re not really doing. Romances describe physical responses more deeply so we can feel their connection and sexual urges. You’re telling too much and keeping us at a distance, so it’s hard to relate or care.
Chapter 2 The opening bugs me. I can’t stand Delia here. I want her to be the one to take control of her life for once, and the cruise being her decision would be a notable step in that direction. We can see that she’s trying and that’s more admirable than being ordered by a sister. She can still pick the senior cruise avoid advances from men.
Chapter 3 has good bones to the scenes, they just need to be more fully developed and move the story and characters forward more. You need to show them changing each other.
Chapter 4 I was a little jarred at the intro because I thought I’d be moving onto a love scene, but the conversation with Donna Lee works. There’s lots of humor in it. The banter is spot on. I like the background info.
§ Conflict – Yes they’re both veiled. I think you need to illuminate their internal struggles more.
§ Plot – Yes. I can see people connecting on a ship, taking things slow and hooking up.
§ Setting – Needs a lot more work. There’s no color, no sensory images. I don’t feel like they’re at sea, on a boat. And what about Barbados when they were docked for three days? Did they take in any sights? Do any activities together? It’s worth a mention.
§ Characterization – Both of them need to be developed more fully and there needs to be more showing of how they make each other feel. You tell too much. You need to show growth and how they’ve changed each other, even if it’s in a small way at this point.
§ Dialogue – The dialogue is pretty good. I’d like to see them be more flirty towards the end of chapter 3 to show their attraction and connection. I’d like to see a bit more sexual frustration coming through in body language or voice. Show. The dialogue between Donna Lee and Delia is very sisterly and believable. I thought Donna Lee would be a little more sensitive but given her table manners, her jabs seem to fit her persona.
§ Point of view – Is it consistent?
They weren’t very jarring with the exception of the one I noted in my chapter 3 review, but they create too much distance. If you expound more in the scenes, I think you can make them work. Their characters are too wispy.
§ Show vs. Tell – Too much telling about how they feel and what their thinking. This needs to be shown.
§ Grammar & Spelling
Ch. 2:
The longer she moped[,] the more she failed.
Donna Lee was a chronic dater and never (go) [got] too attached to any man.
You've let Jason define you for so long[,] you can't see yourself without him. *stating the obvious, huh, Donna Lee? Too many that’s in her speech after this.
The way you describe the cruise makes it feel like a month-long journey. Night after night.
§ Style/Tone – Easy to read. The running away screaming thought felt like melodrama.
§ Purple prose – No
For Romantic Suspense
§ Is there enough action? No. There needs to be more throughout.
§ Does the story move quickly? - Yes. Too quickly. Needs some filler to feel believable and satisfying.
§ Is the tension level high? – No. I think you can definitely beef that up, especially the sexual tension, given that they’ve made out for nights on end. Especially with Chase. It’s difficult for a man to cool his jets once revved up.
§ Are the protagonists strong? No. Chase is more so, since he’s been able to resist and keep his head together until the end of chapter 3.
§ Is there a strong dramatic tone? Yes. Too dramatic. It needs more sparkle and luster.
Give overall impressions of the chapter:-
§ What you liked most and what worked well. I liked the unfolding attraction and potential conflict I see in the future.
§ What you liked least or feel could have been done better.
The characters need to be fleshed out more, given fascinating qualities, and their turns in the story need to make sense and not seem so out of the blue. Show the effect positive and negative they’re having on each other.
§ How do you think the story could be improved?
Delia needs to get a life and a personality worth caring for.
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#20 05-17-2008 12:44:15
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Thanks everyone. I love the suggestions. This is what I will work on in the next few days...
1. creating more empathy for Delia...I want her to be liked, not just annoyingly pathetic. I think I will mention about her being abandoned as a baby in the first chapter.
2. more scenery and descriptions. What are they eating on the cruise? What does the ship look like? What does Donna Lee's apartment look like? What's going on around them?
3. Per Amarie's suggestion...I want to add a scene on the cruise where Delia is getting more confidence and she actually goes shopping for the little black dress.
4. Fewer POV shifts and clearer definitions of the ones I do have.
Thanks again. You guys are awesome.
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#21 05-17-2008 16:19:15
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amarie wrote:
And what about Barbados when they were docked for three days? Did they take in any sights? Do any activities together? It’s worth a mention.
I think this is an excellent suggestion that would give this a touch of the exotic! It would also give them time to take in some sights together, hold hands and what not.
Dunno if you've ever been to Barbados, but if not, I'm sure some research could fill in the blanks. Keep working at this. You'll mould it until you get it to where you want it to be.
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#22 05-18-2008 18:03:09
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Checklist
§ Opening - Do the opening sentences/paragraph grab your attention?
Ch 2. They do. They remind me of the craziness of the first chapter and pull me back into the story.
ch 3. With Chase suddening busting into song, definitely.
Ch 4. Donna Lee jerks us in. She's good at that.
§ Conflict – Can you identify what it is?
Ch 2. Delia is conflicted with herself. She's trying to get over Jason and get on with her life, but it's hard because she was/is in love with him and her identity is tied in with him.
Ch 3. I'd like to see more of Delia's conflict with just letting herself go, versus holding herself back from Chase. This is a woman who just got hurt and has been hurt for years. You've got a great conflict to play with there.
Ch 4.
§ Plot – Is it believable?
ch 2. Yep!
ch 3. So far!
ch 4. Yes.
§ Setting – Is there a real sense of time and place?
ch2. Sorta. You might try describing the ship more, maybe have her looking out over the ocean. Describe the bar more from Chase's eyes. I can get a sense of it, but more description would be cool.
ch 3. Still the cruise. Maybe describe the pool. How big is it?
ch. 4. Yes. The Chinese restaurant. Leaving it at that, we can imagine what it looks like by all the ones we've been to. Or you could describe what's on the walls, paper lanterns?
§ Characterization – Are the characters believable or do they feel like cardboard cutouts.
I'm feeling Delia. And I'm getting a sense of Chase; I think he seems both typical and atypical of his age, which makes him interesting. I'd like more conflict from Delia and a little more of Chase's POV, unless you're doing that deliberately to make him seem mysterious. Which is good too.
I like Donna Lee for her spunk, but she's a little over the top at times. You might want to reign her in a little and round her out more. She's like a fat redneck man with, well, no fat redneck physique.
§ Dialogue – Is it tight and does it help move the story along? Did it need more/less?
Ch 2. I think it's good.
Ch 3. I'd like the scene in the club drawn out more with dialogue to show us the conflicting emotions.
ch 4. Very amusing between Delia and Donna Lee.
§ Point of view – Is it consistent?
ch 2. Yep!
Ch 3. In the singing scene, you switch between Delia and Chase and it's confusing to me. I had to re-read to see where it started from. I think you should leave it with Delia so that we can see her viewing Chase and her reactions to his quickly changing personality.
Same with the pool scene. Keep it from Delia's POV. Draw it out. What is she feeling like? Is she breathless? Is there an attraction stronger than before? Is her body touching his? I'm seeing a good friendship here, but not a romance.
Ch 4. A little switching between Donna Lee and Delia. You can show Donna Lee's view through her comments and her gestures and face instead of giving her thoughts.
§ Show vs. Tell – Are scenes conveyed through the actions of the characters or through the author’s voice?
Ch 2. We have a lot of telling here. You're rushing us through to get to Chase, but I think it'd be funny to see a scene with one of the old men hitting on her played out. It would be amusing (and lord knows Delia needs some laughter) and we'd get more Delia.
Ch 3. This is too much tell: Chase knew she referred to their different races, but what struck him more was that fact that she thought they were in a relationship. He had already let it go too far. His demeanor suddenly changed. He went from the free spirited love sick fool singing in the middle of a restaurant to an uptight, stand-offish, typical male who was afraid to commit.
Describe it. What does his face look like? Does he sit up straighter, turn his chin away? Do his eyes close off? Is Delia suddenly getting the sense that he's remote?
Ch 4. This is more show. It's coming from two characters talking. A bit of telling with Delia finding a job instead of drawing a few scenes out with that. A scene with her feelings on changing careers, hunting a job, maybe even giving her a job interview.
§ Grammar & Spelling – Are there too many grammatical, punctuation and spelling errors.
ch2. I can't find any.
ch 3. "No, it's okay. I don't know what came over me. I['m] so embarrassed." She turned and dashed out of the nightclub.
ch 4. To this day, she has[tense change; had] no idea who her biological parents are or even what their race is.
§ Style/Tone – Is the writing easy to read? Are word choices effective? Is the tone preachy?
Ch 2.The style is easy to read. You're keeping the tone and writing from the first chapter and there's definitely no preaching.
ch 3. He gasped and his eyes bulged when he got a full view of her body. She was simply breath taking.
Very generic statement here. Also takes us out of Delia's POV. I would like to see her body from Chase's POV though. What does it look like to him? There's so much to a body to use for description.
§ Prose – Is there any purple prose?
Nope. No dangerous purple prose! Though this comes close: Delia kept rattling on about his penetrating blue eyes with the long dark lashes, his luscious hair, his movie star smile.
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§ Does the story move quickly?
Ch 2. Strangely, with your intent to move it along by giving us quick blurbs, that seems to slow it down. I want examples to read.
ch 3. Moves faster than ch 2, but I'd like more on Chase and Delia.
ch 4. A must! We have to have the dissection between women. But again, the telling about what Delia's been doing instead of giving us scenes slows it down.
§ Is the tension level high?
Ch2. Tension in this chapter would be the attraction. I want to see more. Draw the kiss out, describe it. Show us how it feels for Delia to be kissed for the first time in a long time by someone other than Jason. By someone who's a total opposite.
ch 3. More attraction drawn out too.
ch 4 Definitely. How can there not be with Donna Lee in the house? ![]()
§ Are the protagonists strong?
So far, I get a good read of Chase but I'd either like more or if you're intent is to have him remain more of a mystery, show us that in their interactions instead of having Delia telling us.
Donna Lee again, definitely strong.
Delia needs more about her conflicted feelings. I feel like she just jumped in and wasn't really conflicted much. Which seems contrary to how she has been and is in ch 1.
§ Is there a strong dramatic tone?
Ch 2. A little bit with the new romance.
ch 3. MOre here with the attraction.
ch 4. Donna Lee makes the scene dramatic for certain.
Give overall impressions of the chapter:-
§ What you liked most and what worked well.
Ch 2. I enjoyed the introduction between Chase and Delia as it began. Chase's line about 'breaking a hip to fit in' had me laughing.
ch 2. I liked this line "His hands continuously moved over and caressed hers as if he was a blind man trying to memorize the outline of her fingers and palms."
ch 3. I liked the scenes between Chase and Delia, I just want more. I'm greedy that way.
ch 4. Donna Lee cracks me up, but I'd have to kill her if she were my sister.
§ What you liked least or feel could have been done better.
I almost feel like this is a repeat of the question below. so I'll put everything there since it's not a matter of disliking anything.
§ How do you think the story could be improved?
Ch 2. I want to know why Delia has such a low self-esteem. Obviously Donna Lee has always been her champion. What about her parents? Were they loving? Hard on her? Was being adopted hard on her? Why did she feel like her adoptive parents didn't want her? Did she get made fun of at school?
Ch2. I want more between Chase and Delia. I'm not really seeing the attraction she had to him earlier. I think it rushes it a bit to have her already tell him about being cheated on. I can't imagine a woman wants to let something so humiliating out to a strange. Maybe have her play a little harder to get, but not in a coy sense.
Ch 3. More between Chase and Delia. ![]()
Ch 4. Oh man. You missed out on a great sex scene opportunity. In romance, it can be or cannot be important. You can tell a lot or a little. But it would show the lust better. And show us more than tell us what Delia does to get a new job. How she feels about it, how long it took her. Was she just jumping right in, or more hesitant? It seems like she's more hesistant from what you've shown us.
You've got a good thing going here. You just need to flesh it out a little more.
I like that Delia's discovering herself. I think it's a great twist to have Chase too young for her.
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#23 05-18-2008 21:08:01
- jediprincess
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Re: School Age
Hi Jennifer,
Thanks for the review. Ironically, I just made a lot of the changes you suggested. I was probably posting while you were reviewing. Anyway, the new versions of chapters 1-4 are up. Take a look if you get a chance.
*Sorry, but Chase has to remain mostly a mystery
*I know I missed a chance for a great love scene. I think I got lazy, probably since one of my other books has a detailed love scene and I just didn't feel like going there again.
*I still need to add more scenery. I am so bad with that probably because I hate it when authors give me pages and pages of descriptions. I'd rather imagine it myself. But so many people on this site tell me I need more so i have to work on that.
*I'm working on rounding out Donna Lee's character a little more. I think she's goign to go through a traumatic change later on.
Thanks for the read and review
JediP
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#24 05-18-2008 21:09:33
- jediprincess
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Re: School Age
Hi all,
I've revised my first four chapters. I know I still need more scenery so I'll work on that, but I concentrated more on Delia's character making her more empathetic and making her decision to sleep with Chase more believable. I also tried to work on POV a little.
Thanks for all your help.
JediP
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#25 06-07-2008 21:55:13
Re: School Age
Jedi,
I'd reviewed this one before, so cannot post to the chapter page. Posting here.
Chapter5
Delia’s in school now, trying to cope with her job. You give the reader several snapshots of what her new job will be like. I like what you’ve done with introducing CJ – establishing that he’s a troublemaker and then putting him into the scene.
Suggestions:-
~~Her sister never spent a Friday night alone [to say the least].
~~After they started dating, Delia got him on a schedule to finish his schooling and final(ly)graduate with a sociology degree. (This makes him seem like an ingrate for what he’s done to her)
~~"Um, so, like I said, I'm Delia James, um I mean Clark," (full stop, new sentence)
~~made the error and now didn't know whether to [go] take it back or not.
~~He stepped close enough to shake her hand and [that is when] a grotesque smell accosted her senses.
~~I end up having [to have] two or three training sessions a year before people really understand it."
~~the details of the inter(inner??)-workings of computer systems right there in front of the building.
their own entry procedure which allows them secure access to [the] personal information.
~~There was one student in particular that Delia was drawn to[o].
~~Lena dried her palms on her green uniform skirt like she always did when she was nervous and searched for words carefully. (We’re in Lena’s POV at the end here)
~~Angie balled up a piece of paper and lob(b)ed it at Ian's head.
~~ Delia sat at her desk and studied her lesson plans for the day when she felt someone staring at her. (Sugg…Delia was at her desk studying her lesson plans for the day when…)
I shall pass this way only once, so if there be any kindness,
Let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again.
Unswerving perseverance is the key to success.
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